Such difference between countries...

[Monkey]

I have to fess up... US has come MUCH further when it comes to better the pitbulls temperament than we have back home in Sweden.

IN sweden though, pits and staff used for fighting is smuggled in from jugoslavia so I would belive that that is why we have more problems with it at part.

Cause now when I see Missy, 8 month old female.. Mina was 8 month old when I got her and she faught Tasha straight off the bat attacked her unprovoked just cause she was insecure.

and that goes for MANY of the swedish pits/amstaffs (not the one from reputable real kennels but the BYB).

Honest to God, I wish that they took care of all these good tempered pits and staffs and started do REAL breeding on these lines after DNA testing and then maybe do a new breedbook out of it and of course with a working purpouse and as good family dogs.

Missy is all I could have asked for SO far (never know what will show later) but I can start to see why so many here have had a pit/staff all their lifes without ONE single accident with same sex dogs etc.

Behaviourwise when it comes to the aggression, the ones we have in sweden and the ones I meet here are TWO different breeds.

Of course, I will still treat Missy carefully and not put her into situation where it might be triggered. For Ex I know for a fact that if Tasha chooses to correct a dog, Missy might feel that she wants to help and that I will avoid cause Ive noticed that Missy nips VERY hard when she gets excited and just wants to play so I wonder what she'd do to a dog she got irritated at.

But still... I am amazed over the average good doggie temper towards other dogs the american pits has BYB or not.

I'm very greatfull for that it is that way however.. cause then I might have my wish.. a none dog aggressive full working pitbull....

[skunkstripe]

Interesting observation Monkey. I would hope that this is because ther have been legitimate breeders who breed them for good temperament as opposed to cultivating them for fighting. That is often ignored in the bad press that pitties get.

[sheplovr]

Good thing Monkey, see Mr Vick was killing off loosers to develope a fighting line of lines? This is truly bad for I breed for Temperment first and foremost, he should of been paying probably alot for good Pittys. Then, making them fight, loosers die off and keep on and on. Breeding any breed especially Pittys by good people for good temperments they would be used for a variety of purposes, pets, therapy dogs, etc. Now, they are being banned because of all the fights and bets made making them so agressive and quick. Thanks for posting a good thought.

[applesmom]

Isn't it true though that even dogs bred for fighting should never be human aggressive? Supposedly that's as much a part of breeding good fighting dogs as is the desire to fight to the death.

According to the web sites dedicated to pit breeds, even when two dogs are fighting in the ring a human should be able to stop a fight without ever being in danger of the dogs turning on them.

If true, that's a huge plus for the breed and more than can be said for the majority of dogs once they're engaged in a serious fight!

[sheplovr]

Right. So true Applesmom. It is human error on part of a great breed being destroyed by ignornance.

[KatzNK9]

Isn't it true though that even dogs bred for fighting should never be human aggressive? Supposedly that's as much a part of breeding good fighting dogs as is the desire to fight to the death.


As far as I'm concerned, the days of breeding dogs who are human aggressive in any way are long over. It's truly too bad that the backyard breeders who perpetuate indiscriminate breeding haven't figured that out yet.

[Monkey]

Isn't it true though that even dogs bred for fighting should never be human aggressive? Supposedly that's as much a part of breeding good fighting dogs as is the desire to fight to the death.

According to the web sites dedicated to pit breeds, even when two dogs are fighting in the ring a human should be able to stop a fight without ever being in danger of the dogs turning on them.

If true, that's a huge plus for the breed and more than can be said for the majority of dogs once they're engaged in a serious fight!


it used to be so... now adays, they do not care since it's only the morons doing the fighting..

However, I have pulled apart my own dog from pitbullfights well around 30 times.. only bit once by accident, by Tasha.. the pits.. NEVER....

So there is some truth to it..

However, the mixes and the way people have breed some of them..
Id be abit more carefull depending on the dog..

[skunkstripe]

Isn't it true though that even dogs bred for fighting should never be human aggressive? Supposedly that's as much a part of breeding good fighting dogs as is the desire to fight to the death.

According to the web sites dedicated to pit breeds, even when two dogs are fighting in the ring a human should be able to stop a fight without ever being in danger of the dogs turning on them.

If true, that's a huge plus for the breed and more than can be said for the majority of dogs once they're engaged in a serious fight!

Yes it is true. And the bizarre part of the breed history for this breed is of course that this WAS an aspect of "good breeding" for fighting dogs. Dog-on-dog agression was desirable, while agression towards humans obviously was not. Now in the US we have those underground breeders who are either deliberately breeding for fighting and who are not necessarily taking all aspects of temperament into account, or we have those breeders who are trying to eliminate any and all aggressive tendencies. But I think those numbers are small compared to the BYBs and oops litters.