Tri-Colored Puggle?

[munlitsky]

Have you ever seen a tri-colored puggle? Im looking into adopting this really cute puggle but it doesnt look too much like a puggle to me. I think I'm getting it anyway I'm just curious though, what do you all think? :wtf: His muzzle looks like it but thats about it.

[retriever crazy]

idk... but he is so adorable!!!! you should get him or i will ;) jk ( i wish ) he is really cute

[munlitsky]

I know! I want him soo badly. I would get him right now if we had already moved into the new apartment. I sent the breeder an email today explaining that I would definitely take him but wouldn't be able to pick him up until mid to late August. I asked her if she'd hold him for me until then and told her I would put down a deposit or something but I hope we can work something out. He's the cutest thing I have ever seen! :D

[ruffian]

well being a cross breed, or mutt, there is no real way to say what color they should be, pug beagle crosses tend to all look quiet different as adults too, from weight and height to color and activity level.

[skunkstripe]

Since a "puggle" is a cross between a Pug (light tan with black markings) and a Beagle (often tri-color) I can see where mixing these two breeds might sometimes give you three colors.

[lassie]

With crossbreds it can be a lottery some breed colours are quite dominant. As pugs come in black or fawn and beagles can be a lemon as well . its any body's quess.

[louby]

a puggle is a mongrel, so it is going to happen that they differ in appearance to eachother but this is sooo cute that you should get it anyway! LOL

[munlitsky]

The breeder just emailed me back telling me that I can pay 1/2 the price of the puppy as a deposit and she will hold it for me till I can pick him up in mid to late August! I AM SO EXCITED! :D :D :D

[kelsiebug]

how much are you paying for the mutt?

[Amber23]

He is really cute. Looks more like a beagle to me. Hope you don't pay a ton for a mix that you could get at the shelter for a lot less.

[kelsiebug]

He is really cute. Looks more like a beagle to me. Hope you don't pay a ton for a mix that you could get at the shelter for a lot less.
i agree..........

[munlitsky]

I am paying $500 for him but really just $250 its going to be me and my fiance's dog. All of the shelters around me don't have young puppies the youngest there being like...10 months. Also, we have to raise it from a puppy so it gets along well with the cat and the puppy that the couple thats moving in with us is getting. It's hard for me to find a dog that my fiance falls in love with and thats small, ya know? To me the puppy is worth more than $500 so i'll pay it :D Hey, when it will fit perfectly in the family its priceless to me!

[Amber23]

Did you try petfinder? I did a search for small breed puppies in Ohio and there are a ton! They all so cute too. There is a chiuahuah/pug mix that is adorable.

I just hate to see you support the breeding of mixed breed dogs or any dog for that matter. You could find the same mix at the shelter and be saving a life.

http://tinyurl.com/q6gaj

[munlitsky]

yea, i could save a lot of money. we've already been to the shelter and i really like this puppy. I mean he does look like a puggle, or at least his muzzle does. He's the only tri-colored puggle ive ever seen and with all of the things i like about both breeds (pug and beagle) im glad i can get them in one. ive already got the money, i mean money isnt the biggest issue. i think hes definitely worth 500 though.

[TheWhiz]

If you want this puppy, get him. Personally I think he is adorable. Not all shelters have what you are looking for but it's nice you did try that first.
There are plenty of purebreds in shelters and rescue, not just mix breeds.
I have 4 mixed breeds and I chose them-3 from the same breeder. I love 'cross breeds', esp mine. Nothing could convince me to own a purebred. Not because they are less of a dog, but they are not what I want. My crosses are the best dogs ever and they fit in our family perfectly. My neighbors all have pure breds, they got them thinking they'd be 'better' dogs-my dogs are the envy of the neighborhood :)
Follow your heart not others.

[ruffian]

I fail to understand why people pay money for a mutt at all, sorry, but I do, why not go pick one up from a shelter??? Feeding money in puppymils and BYB is really quiet sad to me. I will buy a dog and pay alot of money, but it will also have a good health guarentee and come form champion, and working parents not jsut to dogs that someone decided to make money off of.

[lassie]

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I have 4 mixed breeds and I chose them-3 from the same breeder. I love 'cross breeds', esp mine. Nothing could convince me to own a purebred. Not because they are less of a dog, but they are not what I want. My crosses are the best dogs ever and they fit in our family perfectly. My neighbors all have pure breds, they got them thinking they'd be 'better' dogs-my dogs are the envy of the neighborhood :)
Follow your heart not others.


You are missing the point here . what people are saying is that the price is VERy high for a crossbred.

You also say you got your 3 crosses from the same breeder, do they do that for the money then??? If not why dont they have them neutered or are they deliberatly breeding cross breeds .

[skunkstripe]

Just for the record, a "cross-breed" or "mixed-breed" is not a mutt.

from http://www.mbdca.org/

"Technically, a Mixed Breed is the offspring of two different purebreds. The mating of a purebred and a mixed breed results in a litter on Mongrels. And, if both parents are either mixed breeds or mongrels, the pups are Mutts."

Unfortunately, some (but not all) purebred owners look down their noses at non-purebreds. Heck, some in the show crowd even look down their noses at examples of PBs that do not meet 'their' standards. I think this attitude may have created a backlash leading to the current designer dog craze. We have botha mystery dog and a purebred. I however would never pay $$ to someone who is deliberately breeding dogs. Our dogs came from a shelter and from a rescue. But to me the term "mutt" sounds like a putdown. And as mentioned, it is technically incorrect when applied to a cross-breed.

[TheWhiz]

I'm not missing the point, I understand and respect YOUR views on cross breeds. I personally have my own views. I'm not asking everyone to agree with me and I don't expect others to expect me to agree with them.
Just as you can not tell someone what dog they want, you can not tell someone how much of thier hard earned money they can spend on said dog. YES my 3 come from a breeder who intentionally breeds crosses. She makes money. She has health guarentees and provides a clean health history 3 generations back. My 4th cross came from a breeding of 2 of my crosses. I bred my dogs because many people in our 'circle' can't have a dog due to health issues. My little ones do not shed. Of 5 pups none shed. Shedding aside I love this particular cross and wouldn't have any other dog. For the rest of my life I hope to always have atleast one of this same cross by my side. Now, different than my breeder I sold each pup fr the cost of a spay/nueter. I gave each a credit at the vet of thier choosing, although mine offerd each a discount, and they are one by one reporting back the pups are altered. I made zero money. I actually went in the red, puppy food, ultrasound, xrays, wormings, shots.... and I'd do it all over again. I am in contact with each pups family and each pup has an incredible home. They are all happy with thier pups and a couple have said if I ever have another liter they'd be interested in another!
I've owned purebreds, it's my personal preference to not own another.
I've rescued but I vowed never ever own another dog who's parentage is unknown. Again, personal choice.

[lassie]

Please note; It is IMPOSSIBLE to quarantee ANY Health Issue with acrossbreed , be they labradoodle . puggles or whatever.

[Amber23]

You know, Ive never thought the word "mutt" meant something negative. Katie is a mutt and all the dogs Ive had growing up were mutts, lol. I only associate that with wonderful dogs.

Im wondering how this breeder of mixed breeds makes money. From what I understand about breeding dogs, you do not make a profit if you are doing it right. After vet visits, vaccination, etc. you should not be able to make money. "Real" breeders breed because they want to keep the breed standard high and are in it for the dog not the money.

My whole issue was why support a back yard breeder when you can rescue a dog from the shelter. You can find the same mixed breed and be saving a life. There is probably a puggle rescue out there somewhere. Ive met so many people who joined the "puggle craze" and realized that puggles are crazy, lol. Ive never met a puggle who isn't hyperactive and hard to train.

Anyway, I just wanted to make sure she knew there were other options out there. Its her decision in the end to do what she thinks is right.

[lassie]

All dogs are lovely. p.s. i luv pugs.


BTW just saw this advert. Labradoodles £950. Labrador Cross Standard Poodle

pedigree Standard Poodles £650.

Does that make sense??????

[Amber23]

Nope, not really. Breeding mixed breeds doesn't really make any sense to me at all.

[Lynn]

Though I believe all dogs brought into this world deserve equal love and adoration and attention I will NEVER agree w/ crossbreeding for money. Tikaani is a crossbreed (timberwolf/husky) and she's the best dog ever, but she was a rescue from the pound. Personally, I find it sickening that breeders cross a breed and sell it for MORE money than a purebred...and the biggest part for me is that crossbreeds CAN'T get papered like purebreds so you KNOW it doesn't cost them NEAR as much to breed and raise crossbreeds. If you're paying over $200 for a dog I personally think it should be coming w/ papers...other than that, why would you ever buy from a breeder when the stats in the US are as follows : 96,000 dogs born every year, 61,000 dogs put to sleep every year. You do the math.

[Amber23]

I definatly think every dog deserves to be treated equally too. I got Katie from the shelter. My bf got Bruce from a byb, although I was definatly angry and dissapointed, I don't love Bruce any less than I love Katie. :)

Did everyone look at the video in my sig?

[lassie]

I have and it made me cry.

[louby]

All dogs are lovely. p.s. i luv pugs.


BTW just saw this advert. Labradoodles £950. Labrador Cross Standard Poodle

pedigree Standard Poodles £650.

Does that make sense??????

i am not against cross breeds to a degree dpending on what is mixed and why, ie the labradoodle was done to get the training standard of a labrador but the coat of a poodle.
I also know of people who breed pedigrees with faults in the parents but they do it anyway, i also know of one person whos sons bitch had a llitter of springers but had no idea who the father was and she registered them as pure bred with her bitches litter that was born at the same time so they were all sold as pedigree spingers. it makes me MAD!!!!

The prices mentioned above are bloody ridiculous but as long as people pay it, the breeder will continue.

[Lynn]

The prices mentioned above are bloody ridiculous but as long as people pay it, the breeder will continue.

I think this is really what the original intent of most of the responses were. We've gotten kind of off track w/ the OT anyhow but I think what most people here were getting at is if you pay the high price for the mix, (something *most* (never said all) well-educated dog owners don't agree with) that it's going to continue. Though I support buying from a shelter 100%, I'd buy a purebred from a breeder before I'd put the money in the hands of an unscrupulous mixed breeder. It's the lesser of 2 evils.

[TheWhiz]

I agree about the pure bred breeders using papers as a crutch. I know more than one that registered pups from one bitch to another. One in particular was a beagle, the pups from the other litter were registered with the sire & bitch with papers. These pups were like a beagle shephard cross. ANYONE should have been able to tell they were not beagles!
As for cost, i don't think papers have much to do with it. Even with papers breeders can make a big profit if they don't provide quality food, vet care, proper immuns ect
I spent:
$750 bitch (way over paid but she is worth it)
$500 sire (again maybe too much)
$700 pre breeding vet bills (shots, check ups from pup to time of breeding)
$200 ultrasound
$200 Xrays
$120 prenatal visits
$20 prenatal vitamin
$60 puppy formula food for mom & pups
$40 dewormer for mom & pups (every 2 weeks till they went home)
$575 puppy shots (5pups, 3 boosters @ 35 each)
$200 whelp box
$100 puppy play yard
$300 puppy care package (4 pups, kept one, each got $75 basket of goodies and useful packets & book)
$40 gas check out the potential homes
$40 to deliver the pups
endless hours of research and mentoring with 2 breeders

Think I made any of that back? nope. even if I charged say 200 per pup I would not have made money. If a cross breeder takes all the proper precautions as a purebred breeder-why wouldn't the cross breeder be able to charge teh same minus the papers? I couldn't do it myself but I think some should be given some slack if they do things proper. Ofcourse if the dog has show titles (purebred) then there are extra costs and that's when you come into the dogs they charge thousands for.

[Lynn]

with all due respect, those costs seem pretty inline w/ what a purebred breeder would incur also...so it's still amiss to me why crossbreeds have any right to charge hundreds more for their dogs when they (excuse the pun) don't have 2 legs to stand on

[ruffian]

You can call me a snob if you like I really don't care I will admit it, but I really hae absolutly no problem with the dogs, it is the breeder I dislike. Cross 2 breeds and hocking the pups as the best of both worlds is dishonest. Not all lab poodle crosses are non-shedding, infact on average 75% of F1 crosses will shed to some extent. Like someone else already pointed out pug beagle crosses are insaine. They almost always have the breathing issues that pugs do, but the activity levels of the beagle, so you get a dog that can die from to much exercise but wants to run all day. There are even some purebred dogs that have go to extreem IMO. But in a world where there are hundreds of thousands of dogs put to sleep every year and over 300 different true recognized breeds there is no reason to create more. Lab poodle crosses were supposedly bred for the blind with alergy problems, why not use an actual breed like a standard poodle or a boouvier?? And honestly if that is an excuse to keep breeding them then why are they breeding minature "labradoodles" and "goldendoodles"? For the money, thye are not interested in creating a breed they have no standard set they have no goal for their "breding programs" they just churn out puppies, that is sick. These will noever be recognized by a reputable regestry since they will not recognize a breed created from 2 breeds.

At leat the people creating the carlin pinscher had a standard in mind they dont say these are a new breed, they dont charge thousands for the pups they do sell, they have realistic ideas for what they are doing, and dont say they are the next breed the AKC will recognize, which alot of lab poodle breeders have been spouting for many a year.

[Lynn]

what's frustrating though is that eventually the AKC probably WILL recognize these as a "breed". Obviously when the AKC started they didn't automatically recognize every dog as a breed that they now recognize. With some breeders that are "newer" it took them longer to be recognized. The breeders will continue to breed these mixes and mixes will breed and eventually they'll consider the bloodlines far enough back to be added to their registry.

All dogs came originally from wolves as almost everyone knows. They were selected for certain qualities that the person wanted to bring out, but back then it was for actual WORK and not just b/c someone thought it was "cute"...so now hundreds of years later we have the dogs we know and love due to this breeding...but originally they all started out as crosses.

Now, don't get me wrong, I DON'T aggree w/ crossbreeding these days. I could understand and support crossbreeding if their breed served a WORKING purpose as they did a LONG time ago but people are so caught up in "looks" now-a-days it's frustrating.

[skunkstripe]

Argh now we have really gotten OT where the OP was saying that the tri-color mix was cute. Which was true.

Ruffian, you have asked before why Labs and not Poodles are used as guide dogs and I think it is a matter of size and strength. Other dogs may well have intelligence and temperament that would be suitable, but a guide dog (I think) needs to be strong enough to pull a human being to safety if need be.

Anyway, I hope I did not offend anyone with my remarks about not buying a dog. That is my personality, probably because I did not grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth. So I feel like if a dog has a human being who is asking for big bucks and screening potential new owners, that dog does not NEED me. It is the dog who does not have an advocate that I would want to adopt. But again, that is my personality and there are many more out there.

[TheWhiz]

My point was NO ONE should charge outragous prices. I do not feel 500 is outragous tho. Over 500, is stretching it but then I paid that 750 for Pandy and she worth WAY MORE. It comes down to the breeder IMO whether cross or pure. As long as you are comfortable then it's fine.
I don't agree with certain crosses having purpose other than to please us humans.
And no way did anyone here offend me. I respect everyones opinion.

So, as far as the adorable Puggle. You reserved him right? Have you thought of a name? I can't wait to see pictures as he grows up :)

[munlitsky]

Wow, what has happened to my topic? Haha. I made this topic to ask your opinion on my puppy that I am adopting, and a LOT of people in here won't stop fighting and disagreeing on stuff that is TOTALLY OFF TOPIC. I am not going to blame this puppy for the breeders "problems" or whatever. He's just a puppy and he's still alive! What, am I supposed to just leave him there? I mean, if no one buys him he's going to a shelter probably and that's just contributing to the problem that you are fighting about...or if I don't buy him someone else will! It's a puppy for crying out loud who gives a crap about what breed or crossbreed it is, I was just curious about a simple thought. Stop thinking so much into this! :mad:

[munlitsky]

Thankyou TheWhiz! I haven't paid the breeder yet, I've never sent a money order and she hasn't told me where to send it to yet. :( When i ask people how to send one, well my dad hasn't sent one before and my fiance is dumb, lol. Can i send it to a P.O Box? or is that even where I am supposed to send it? You all probably think i am retarded for not knowing this. It's just not something I've ever done before. If i do send it to the P.O box ive got the address.

As for the name? Yes. I already have one picked out. I chose not to go with personality, but to go with looks (however I might change my mind when i meet the puppy). So far ive decided on Keegan. It's gaelic for "little fierce one" and that just sounds right.

I hope someone else doesn't buy the puppy before i send the money order! :(

[TheWhiz]

You can send the money order to a PO Box. You may want to send it certified so the breeder has to sign for it, it's a little extra precaution.
Be sure to write the pup in the memo portion, many breeders number the pup "Tri Color Puggle male #1" ect.. or maybe "Male Tri Colored puggle pup as per email communications" Save your emails ect just in case as well.
Is there a health guarentee? Just incase again. Be sure when you get him you go to the vet ASAP, within 24 hours..another just incase.

As for the name I LOVE KEEGAN it is very fitting lol
I can't wait till you get hima nd post more pictures. One thing I am sure of is he will be loved!

[munlitsky]

I called the breeder a little bit ago. She gave me her mailing address to her house I think. Should I just mail it to her? I forgot to ask her if she still wanted me to send a money order or what. However, she told me to include in the letter which puppy it was and contact information and whatnot. Should I call her back? I don't want her to think less of me because I forgot to ask her how she wanted me to mail it in the first place. On her website she talks about how if you want a puppy from a future litter you can send a deposit of $100 cashier's check, money order, or western union to her. It also gives the PO Box # and city, state, etc. It also tells you what to include with the deposit (name, address, gender of puppy, color of puppy, and if you need shipping...). Should I mail it to her in one of those envelopes with the confidential interior so you can't see what's inside or should I go with a money order even though she gave me her home address too. She could've given me the home address so I can look it up on mapquest and get directions for when I pick up the puppy. I'm worrying about this too much haha. It's just that.. $250 is a lot to mail someone and I don't want to mess this up.

In other words yes this puppy will be very spoiled and very very loved, haha.:D

[munlitsky]

...Oh and as far as the health certificate goes her website says " I offer shipping for my puppies! Air shipping is $275 per pup.
Included with shipping:
A crate, A health certificate, and travel.
Pups are now $400 - $500 ..(occasionally higher.)each as of November 4, 2005. I am now accepting deposits of $100 per pup. ******Deposits are non refundable and are applied toward purchase price of the puppy. Deposits can be Money Order or Western Union.(www.westernunion.com (http://www.westernunion.com)) 1-800-325-6000 for credit card.
NO PERSONAL CHECKS! SORRY!" So, I believe that it comes with the puppy, she wouldn't just give a health certificate to those puppies who are shipped by air, right? That would be silly. :confused: Right?

Oh and yes I am taking the puppy to the vet ASAP when I bring him home. No doubt.

[Lynn]

I would just be very very cautious of shipping a puppy by air. In this heat of the summer and airlines (if you google dog air transport) you'll find some terribly frightening stories. I had a friend who had a dog shipped to her by air once and it sat out on the tarmac in 110F weather for 4 hours and the poor thing died from heat exhaustion.

[munlitsky]

oh god no! I REFUSE to let a puppy be shipped by air, I'm driving to pick up my puppy it's just a state south of mine, approx. 5 hours away. I am picking it up the same day we drive down to rent a U Haul and move my roommates furniture up here. The city is only an hour away from where we all have to drive anyway, might as well do both things the same day. I am driving down but probably going to try to get someone else to drive my car back up so I can play with the puppy on the way! Haha. I am very excited!

[Cheetah]

That could be a problem... I mean, Shippo was flown from Canada, but it was spring time, and it wasn't scalding hot or ice cold outside. And he didn't JUST come with a health certificate...

Does this breeder check the parents' hips, eyes, and ears? >o.o< I've got Shippos' parents' OFA and CERF scores here, and I'm also able to look them up on the official website. I figure that would be a very important thing. I wouldn't want my dog to grow up and go completely crippled on me.

[skunkstripe]

Well don't be surprised if puppy is not up to playing. When I picked up Zircon from the shelter and drove him the 45 minutes to my office, he puked twice. Car rides may be new to them.

[CamzKees]

I've heard of puggles- never seen one in real life. I don't really have an opinion on cross breeds.

I do however have good advice on what to look for in a breeder, and this is just what I have always been told: at the least look for your dog's parents to be OFA and CERF certified.

Often, an internet health guarentee will not hold up in court.

Also, a good breeder will ask you lots of questions to make sure your home is suitable for their puppys- some even want to see where you live for themselves. I know mine did. I didn't mind, though. I knew she was just doing what was best for Orchid.

I know some of this stuff may sound preachy, but its best to listen to just for your protection.

Good luck on your puppy. I am looking forward to pictures, as I have never seen a puggle.

[dogcrzy009]

She is adorable!!!
I love the coloring as well.
Looks like a sweet puppy.

[lassie]

Just wondered how anybody can quarantee a health certificate to Two pedigree breeds crossed !

[munlitsky]

heh, i dont know either. maybe if both parents are very healthy and the dog has been taken to the vet and has been vet checked. then cleared as healthy...i really have no idea. :confused: ;) http://www.geocities.com/mktyrie/black_puggles_male_rt__female_lf.jpg <Black puggles>


http://www.geocities.com/mktyrie/number_20_male.jpg <normal colored puggle>

Usually puggles are just like the bottom picture. occasionally they can be black. the only tri-colored one i've run into is mine

[Lynn]

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that lassie was getting at when you breed two comletely different breeds, you never know what characteristics may come out in a dog. You may have a purebred that's completely healthy but when you mix it with another breed, characteristics, traits, etc may come out in the puppy that were never a factor in the parent because w/ genetics, you never know how two different genes are going to react.

good example - if you put oxygen and oxygen together, you're going to have oxygen, but if you put hydrogen and oxygen together you get water. Something that alone, neither of the elements showed any characteristics of but when put togethe you have something that never played a factor before. make sense?

[munlitsky]

:p oh lol yea i know that i was just kidding.

[lassie]

[QUOTE=Lynn]I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that lassie was getting at when you breed two comletely different breeds, you never know what characteristics may come out in a dog. You may have a purebred that's completely healthy but when you mix it with another breed, characteristics, traits, etc may come out in the puppy that were never a factor in the parent because w/ genetics, you never know how two different genes are going to react.

Spot on Lynn:D ta x