Panda German Shepherds

[Gideon's_Girl]

:mad:wow look at these German Shepherds, well atleast I think they are. They look nothing like a german shepherd, they look like half breed mutts. Im sorry for the people that like them,but.

http://www.pandashepherds.com/
http://www.sidyboysfoolin.com/PandaShepherd.html

i dont think that Captian Max von Stephanitz would be to happy!!

[retriever crazy]

they sure look cool!!!

[melissa2007]

Be careful Gideons, this could be another hot topic
not going to say anything because I guess i come off as trashing breeds
If you like them thats swell, if you don't thats great to

[Gideon's_Girl]

i understand that, i just dont agree with what the people are doing to these dogs, the shepherd was ment to look like a paint horse! :(

[sheplovr]

Terrible looking but look it is in the show ring also? Oh Gosh, lets remember the true Shepherd with no argument about it, opinions to oneself now. No more comment all know how I feel.. Thanks.

[Nicolelj]

I have no problem with different colorations in a breed as long as no health issues follow with that, like albino Dobes. Otherwise each to their own. The GSD is made up of many many differing colors. Some were there at the beginning(and are still not accepted by a few, like whites), others came on later and were fully accepted(like full blacks). It all comes down to different peoples preference. I personally do not like sables. Not my thing. I prefer the full blacks and the whites. But that does not mean I think the sables are not a GSD or are a mutt. They are just a color I do not prefer and I leave it at that.
Nicole & Ronan

[Gideon's_Girl]

i understand that, i just dont see how people can think that at all looks like a gsd?

[Nicolelj]

It depends on who you are and your preferences. I personally do not think banana backed or roached backed GSDs look anything like a GSD should. I cring every time I see one. But I know it is a personal preference thing and peoples opinions on what the GSD should be varies greatly depending on who you talk to. It is all opinion.
Nicole & Ronan

[xcolbi]

I have no problem with different colorations in a breed as long as no health issues follow with that, like albino Dobes. Otherwise each to their own.

I agree with you, Nicole.

[Nicolelj]

They don't look like a GSD, thats why there in a category of there own

To you they don't. To others they do. Agian personal preference.
Nicole & Ronan

[Gideon's_Girl]

yah, those are really weird looking. but i think that if your are out to breed a dog, your should breed it on how it was ment to look, and german shepherd isnt supposed to be arched, or painted. A breeder is supposed to breed to better the breed, not to make a dog that fits there preferences. if you want that find a dog at the pound. not a nationally recoginized breed, to mess it up!

[Nicolelj]

yah, those are really weird looking. but i think that if your are out to breed a dog, your should breed it on how it was ment to look, and german shepherd isnt supposed to be arched, or painted. A breeder is supposed to breed to better the breed, not to make a dog that fits there preferences. if you want that find a dog at the pound. not a nationally recoginized breed, to mess it up!


So I guess to you I am a bad breeder? Since I breed whites and they are considered a fault to the CKC and the AKC? To me I am following a breed standard though. the white shepherd standard. And I am bettering the breed. That is why people should consider a lot more before putting down a breeder or color or so on when they do not have all the facts and are basing judgements on face value alone. What you might consder as bettering the breed another person might not see it that way. Look at working labs versus show labs as a prime example. You see it in all breeds
Nicole & Ronan

[Gideon's_Girl]

im not saying you are a bad breeder, i just dont agree in breeding a dog, with breed faults. yes your dogs are beautiful. Gideon my dog is a long haired, he has a fault, but i have no intention in breeding him to make sure more and more german shepherds turn out long hair. i dont agree with it, and never will.

[Nicolelj]

agian your opinion and you are entitled to it. But agian you can not put down a breeder based on face value alone when you do not have all the facts. You can say you don't agree with it. But that does not make a bad breeder. It is that simple.
Nicole & Ronan

[skunkstripe]

Let me throw in a point of information here, which is that breed standards can be very different in different countries. Supposedly the "country of origin" of a breed retains the right to say what the international standard is (like Mexico is responsible for the Chihuahua), plus you have breed clubs who for whatever reason are going against a breed standard (like what has happened with Border Collies and Jack Russell / Parson Russell Terriers in the US).
So it can be a little tricky saying that if a national registry has adopted a breed standard, that this is how everyone should be breeding.

[Gideon's_Girl]

as are you entitled, and i dont want to make you hate me, i just dont see why someone would make an entierly different looking dog to fit there preferences.

[Gideon's_Girl]

Let me throw in a point of information here, which is that breed standards can be very different in different countries. Supposedly the "country of origin" of a breed retains the right to say what the international standard is (like Mexico is responsible for the Chihuahua), plus you have breed clubs who for whatever reason are going against a breed standard (like what has happened with Border Collies and Jack Russell / Parson Russell Terriers in the US).
So it can be a little tricky saying that if a national registry has adopted a breed standard, that this is how everyone should be breeding.


true!

[Nicolelj]

exactly.
Nicole & Ronan

[xcolbi]

Try to stay calm, everyone. The last thing we need is a fight.

Amanda, to you it may look weird, but some people might think it's beautiful. I personally don't find it that bad-looking, and I think it looks like a purebred GSD. Like Nicole said, everyone has their own preference. I personally like red merle Australian Shepherds over black ones, but does that mean that the black ones should be a completely different breed because of their coat colour?

[Nicolelj]

as are you entitled, and i dont want to make you hate me, i just dont see why someone would make an entierly different looking dog to fit there preferences.

Read the history on the Panda coloration. Nobody purposely made this coloration. It was a fluke the happened with two colored Shepherds. The breeder was shocked and had the pup DNA tested to be sure it was even pure. And it was. So it was not purposely done. But it did happen. And now some people prefer the color. And if there are not health problems associated with the color, and the breeder does the health tests and so on as any good breeder would, then I see no problem. It is a personal preference and the great thing about the GSD breed is there is a color out there for just about anyone.
Nicole & Ronan

[Nicolelj]

I personally like red merle Australian Shepherds over black ones, but does that mean that the black ones should be a completely different breed because of their coat colour?

Exactly.
Nicole & Ronan

[happysaz133]

Wow I actually like their markings. Of course I like a natural shepherd, but I do like these markings and have no problems with them being bred unless there's health problems assosiated with breeding. You have to be very careful with shepherds anyway with displaysia, so I just don't know. Are they common?
I mean, I'd never even heard of white shepherds till joining this forum and saw Nicolej's pups (and very gorgeous may I just add here). So maybe they are rarer in the UK, whites I mean. So I doubt these panda shepherds will be making an appearence here for while yet.

[Gideon's_Girl]

okay so then why did she breed it if it was a fault. i prefer the color green, that doesnt mean i go and breed a green german shepherd just cause i like it.

[Nicolelj]

Wow I actually like their markings. Of course I like a natural shepherd, but I do like these markings and have no problems with them being bred unless there's health problems assosiated with breeding. You have to be very careful with shepherds anyway with displaysia, so I just don't know. Are they common?
I mean, I'd never even heard of white shepherds till joining this forum and saw Nicolej's pups (and very gorgeous may I just add here). So maybe they are rarer in the UK, whites I mean. So I doubt these panda shepherds will be making an appearence here for while yet.

No health problems(other then teh ones that all GSD's can have) associated with the color. They are a new coloration to the GSD breed so it is doubtful they will be seen as common for a while. Whites are very common but depending on location some people might think they are not. When in fact they are. Here in Alberta you rarely see them. But go to Ontario and there are a lot of them. So it depends on location.
Nicole & Ronan

[melissa2007]

Read the history on the Panda coloration. Nobody purposely made this coloration. It was a fluke the happened with two colored Shepherds. The breeder was shocked and had the pup DNA tested to be sure it was even pure. And it was. So it was not purposely done. But it did happen. And now some people prefer the color. And if there are not health problems associated with the color, and the breeder does the health tests and so on as any good breeder would, then I see no problem. It is a personal preference and the great thing about the GSD breed is there is a color out there for just about anyone.
Nicole & Ronan
yes faults happen but you shouldn't breed or encourage breeding them
my opinion

[Nicolelj]

okay so then why did she breed it if it was a fault. i prefer the color green, that doesnt mean i go and breed a green german shepherd just cause i like it.

I am not the person who had the first litter so I can't answer that for her. I know why I am breeding the color I am and it is my choice and I know I am a good breeder regaurdless of some people thinking I am not because I am breeding a color that is seen as a fault.
Nicole & Ronan

[Gideon's_Girl]

just a question, then why cant you show a white shepherd if it isnt a fault?

http://www.adogslife.com.au/white_shepherds.htm

[Nicolelj]

just a question, then why cant you show a white shepherd if it isnt a fault?

http://www.adogslife.com.au/white_shepherds.htm

I never said it wasn't a fault. In some registries it is. I can not show in conformation with the CKC or the AKC. But I can show a white as a GSD agianst it's colored counterparts in the UKC or I can show it as a seperate breed as a White Shepherd. The UKC gives two options for that. I can also show in the rare breed clubs and with the AWSA and the WSCC.
Nicole & Ronan

[sheplovr]

Trying to but I just also want to commend some that know the Standard comes from Germany only. Sables of red, black and grey only!! Red/blk Shepherds stock coats only!!! So hence, this is what I breed for and spend alot of money trying to get the most recent lines also. I am about to get a male pup, I am looking at many German sites of lines, titles, etc. I want one that I may send back for titles in Ob, Ad, Shutz1 maybe, I am not for bite dogs but if I can stop it at just number one, that is enough. I think all breeds should follow the standard of how they derived to be in the beginning, this is what I do and will keep doing till I die. May not be long with so many opinions, but I love all dogs and would never tramp over one. I just am a Breeder that believes in keeping the true standards going or we shall get offf track and then look; paints, Pintos, or whatever, never did I in my life see Shepherds like that, but then I no not proul the net as I have enough to keep me busy doing what is right on the forum, keeping peace no agruments or troubles, and keeping my dogs happy.

[skunkstripe]

Foks I don't see anything new being said here. After reading the entire thread several times, I see that opinions have been stated and repeated. You have all made your point, and more than once at that. Since things are getting repeated, I am closing it. Thanks everyone for your contributions.