New forum section!

[Bailey-lover]

Hey,

I think we should add a breeding section! to talk about breeding in a polite way;)

[wunderhund]

I second that! I've seen that a lot of old threads are being revived, with little or no helpful information being added.

[MoJo]

I disagree. I don't see it going well. It wont change anyones opinions on the subject and it will just be used as a Bash All BYBS! section. Because you can only educate people who want to be educated, and most of those who come on here, do not want to be- as you KNOW that most of what we say goes in one ear and out the other. But by telling them straight up our opinion about it, it may actually let them know that people out there do disagree, and they may take it the wrong way (However nice we are, people who disagree with one another you have a very rare chance that it wont get ugly in the "war of opinions!"

[melissa2007]

Dog Forum doesn't have a breeding section and I don't think it ever will as this forum is definitly pro-rescue and for the few breeding questions there may be there is a puppies section,health care and of course general dog disscusion to post questions in :D

[sheplovr]

No Way....... Hard Wrong Subject has been gone over n over all opinions have been said here....

[Taeric]

Do you guys think there is any way that we could address the issue of responsible breeding? Some people are simply determined to breed, and no amount of dissuasion will deter them. For those people, wouldn't it be better to educate them on the proper steps and procedures rather than continue to hammer away at them? I'm not condoning the practice, but like with so many other things, it seems like if you can't deter people from taking certain actions, it's better to ensure that they're informed going in.

Thoughts?

[MoJo]

For those people, wouldn't it be better to educate them on the proper steps and procedures rather than continue to hammer away at them?


A lot of people, if not the complete majority of the members, try this (Educate the possibly future breeders through 'genetics talk, health testing talk, hereditary issues being passed on, etc etc etc etc etc.. I cant even continue to say how many etc there are on this one) as hard as they can. But then they end up with responses such as "I don't care about your opinion" when it wasn't opinion being passed, but advice on how the best way is to go about the process. I just think that perhaps a 'closed' section where no one can post, with the information written on the VERY best ways to go about breeding, and no cut-corners in this description. That way when people have questions, we can simply post a link to the firect thread, and/or quote it, and it will be seen more as advice rather than just random peoples opinions. I say this because opinion seems to go in one ear these days and out the other, so if the advice isn't seen as 100%, then no one listens. Just my thoughts on the subject.

Edited to add:
In this section, make SURE to post the probable costs that go in to such things. When people notice how much money really goes in to doing the best breeding possible- that is what seems to change most peoples minds. Also talk about things such as how either dog can cget an illness through breeding, much like humans and STD's And birthing issues, etc etc.

[melissa2007]

Why do I even bother????

[MoJo]

I have never called anyone a bad name because of their choice to breed. So I don't like being involved in the "you guys" statement, but thank you anyways. ;) Lol...

People are having issues off this site that turns their personal opinions of someone else into nasty replies to topics, in attempt to focus their negativity on one specific member or the like, and therefore they turn everything the that 'specific member' says in to a hateful phrase when it has is in NO way been aimed at another person. This has happened a LOT in the past and I regret ever being involved with a lot of people due to this fact, but the past is the past and there is nothing we can do about it.. People jump to complete 100% assumption based on negativity and believe that they are being flamed. It all begins with the opposing of ideas. Just because people disagree with someone else does NOT mean that are flaming them and does NOT mean they are being rude- it is all how you take it when reading it. It is when it turns personal (The using of user-tags , for example mien is MoJo, when responding, and direct harassment to the others persons posts such as belittlement and generally bringing up off-topic business to slander that person.) that things should be dropped and each person involved should either drop it completely, or take it to PM and keep it out of the main forum as to not get others confused and off topic as well.

Some cliques (This is not a bad thing, it is merely groups of friends who talk on messenger, e-mail, other forums, etc off of this forum) are causing these issues as slandering of different people (Caused by a mere difference in opinion that was taken wrongly) is causing hear-say and rumors based on a single persons 'opinion' of them- which is then seen by others as facts as it gets passed on continuously, which is a cause and form of Slander which is wrong. Others, the more bold and blunt, up-front and personal folk, then try to bring up this 'dislike' for that certain person when their opinions clash later on, and it all falls apart.. THAT is what has been causing the uprising in arguments when there is a heated topic.. not the topic itself, which seems VERY difficult for people to follow lately. Some cliques go as far as when a friend of their responds kindly to a specific persons thread- they get in an argument because of what? Difference in opinion. People need to realize that friends, and people alike, can have a difference in opinion.

When new members show up-they are not part of one of these cliques, and therefore they do not get flamed (Unless, like I stated before, it is seen through the eyes of someone who is very negative toward a certain person, and therefore sees all of their responses as harassment by turning the words every which direction to get something negative from it, when there rarely is). They do not get flamed, they get opinions- the exact opinions they ask for, and then become offended by. Therefore, I see that if a section was formed, it should only state facts, and should be locked so that NO responses can be made- that it can only be quoted and linked to. Know what I mean?

[Bailey-lover]

But wont people just link the 1st post and state there opionion or quote somone elses post and express the opionion just by quoting it that wont stop them from posting there opionion and doesent mean they will only post facts!

[applesmom]

I'm all for educating wannabe breeders, but I honestly don't think it's a good idea to dedicate a specific section to breeding. Not unless the intent is to purposely attract even more wannabe breeders than we get now.

If we have a section devoted to breeding it will provide the false impression that our members in general condone breeding by the average pet owner. Baiting the trap, so to speak!:rolleyes:

It's also my opinion that breeding sections are better left to breed specific forums. Experienced, active, ethical breeders IMO are far better equipped to offer guidance and information than the average pet owner in a general dog forum. They're current on the specific health testing within the breed, ongoing health studies, breed standard, natural ability testing etc. :2cents:

[MoJo]

But wont people just link the 1st post and state there opionion or quote somone elses post and express the opionion just by quoting it that wont stop them from posting there opionion and doesent mean they will only post facts!


This is a public dog discussion forum. Peoples opinions are expected, as without opinion, there is no discussion to begin with, and not only that but they are very needed to make this place continue to thrive. Why would you completely want to ban someones opinion on a subject- just because you or someone else disagrees? If someone has an opposing opinion, like I stated above, it should be handled in a mature fashion of "Lets agree to disagree" and that is that, or ignore them (That is an option), or take it to PM, or turn your back and walk away.

Opinions are what make a public forum- that is what forums are for.

[iwantmypup]

Hi,


Since I don't feel like starting an arguement...

I think there should be one. Maybe actually help people about breeding....instead of bashing?


-Ali

[Bailey-lover]

Oh Im sorry I must of red your psot wrong I thought you wrote you think it should of been facts only no opions sorry my mistake lol :p

[applesmom]

Hi,


Since I don't feel like starting an arguement...

I think there should be one. Maybe actually help people about breeding....instead of bashing?


-Ali

There's no argument. You're entitled to your own opinion as we all are.;)

[Bailey-lover]

I have never called anyone a bad name because of their choice to breed. So I don't like being involved in the "you guys" statement, but thank you anyways. ;) Lol...

People are having issues off this site that turns their personal opinions of someone else into nasty replies to topics, in attempt to focus their negativity on one specific member or the like, and therefore they turn everything the that 'specific member' says in to a hateful phrase when it has is in NO way been aimed at another person. This has happened a LOT in the past and I regret ever being involved with a lot of people due to this fact, but the past is the past and there is nothing we can do about it.. People jump to complete 100% assumption based on negativity and believe that they are being flamed. It all begins with the opposing of ideas. Just because people disagree with someone else does NOT mean that are flaming them and does NOT mean they are being rude- it is all how you take it when reading it. It is when it turns personal (The using of user-tags , for example mien is MoJo, when responding, and direct harassment to the others persons posts such as belittlement and generally bringing up off-topic business to slander that person.) that things should be dropped and each person involved should either drop it completely, or take it to PM and keep it out of the main forum as to not get others confused and off topic as well.

Some cliques (This is not a bad thing, it is merely groups of friends who talk on messenger, e-mail, other forums, etc off of this forum) are causing these issues as slandering of different people (Caused by a mere difference in opinion that was taken wrongly) is causing hear-say and rumors based on a single persons 'opinion' of them- which is then seen by others as facts as it gets passed on continuously, which is a cause and form of Slander which is wrong. Others, the more bold and blunt, up-front and personal folk, then try to bring up this 'dislike' for that certain person when their opinions clash later on, and it all falls apart.. THAT is what has been causing the uprising in arguments when there is a heated topic.. not the topic itself, which seems VERY difficult for people to follow lately. Some cliques go as far as when a friend of their responds kindly to a specific persons thread- they get in an argument because of what? Difference in opinion. People need to realize that friends, and people alike, can have a difference in opinion.

When new members show up-they are not part of one of these cliques, and therefore they do not get flamed (Unless, like I stated before, it is seen through the eyes of someone who is very negative toward a certain person, and therefore sees all of their responses as harassment by turning the words every which direction to get something negative from it, when there rarely is). They do not get flamed, they get opinions- the exact opinions they ask for, and then become offended by. Therefore, I see that if a section was formed, it should only state facts, and should be locked so that NO responses can be made- that it can only be quoted and linked to. Know what I mean?


Im sorry I have to disagree! About cliques Ive been here since july and I'm not part of a clique, I dont no any members that are. I thought everyone was friends and that was it!

[iwantmypup]

Hi,

You know...I thought everyone was friends too. Well of course you can't get along with everyone...but boy oh boy...I have noticed lots of cliques. And I use the word cliques because the word "group" can be a nice thing..and cliques generally aren't. Lol.

There's no argument. You're entitled to your own opinion as we all are.;)
Lol...not yet! Just kidding! I didn't read the whole thread yet:)
Yup!

-Ali

[melissa2007]

thought everyone was friends and that was it!

If Only....

[applesmom]

It's not about who's friends with who. It's about each of us having the freedom to express our own opinions and doing it with respect. The idea (mine) of posting in discussions is to stick to and express my own opinions even if those opinions should disagree with everyone else.

There's no harm in having opposing opinions as long as we treat the other person just like we'd like them to treat us while expressing their own opinions.

Without exposure to opposing opinions we'd never learn anything new.:)

[Bailey-lover]

Well it should me like that :p instead of cliques getting around in there little groups!

guess thats a prefect world!

[MoJo]

It's not about who's friends with who. It's about each of us having the freedom to express our own opinions and doing it with respect.

The idea (mine) of posting in discussions is to stick to and express my own opinions even if those opinions should disagree with everyone else.

There's no harm in having opposing opinions as long as we treat the other person just like we'd like them to treat us while expressing their own opinions.

Without exposure to opposing opinions we'd never learn anything new.:)

I cant agree more with this post. Just by seeing some of the responses in this very thread, you can see a tad bit of disrespect for other peoples opinions showing through. If only this place were a utopia where people respected others opinions no matter what- then we could all share our opinions on breeding without people thinking they are getting flamed, as negativity would be a thing of the past and not the present. :)

[Bailey-lover]

I cant agree more with this post. Just by seeing some of the responses in this very thread, you can see a tad bit of disrespect for other peoples opinions showing through. If only this place were a utopia where people respected others opinions no matter what- then we could all share our opinions on breeding without people thinking they are getting flamed, as negativity would be a thing of the past and not the present. :)

If you are referring that I am showing disrespect! Im saying my opionion not disrespecting anyone else!

[applesmom]

I cant agree more with this post. Just by seeing some of the responses in this very thread, you can see a tad bit of disrespect for other peoples opinions showing through. If only this place were a utopia where people respected others opinions no matter what- then we could all share our opinions on breeding without people thinking they are getting flamed, as negativity would be a thing of the past and not the present. :)

There seems to be a mistaken belief now and then that to disagree is rude or "gasp" even unfriendly. It's my belief that if we aren't true to ourselves we''re wasting our own time and that of everyone else who bothers to read what we write. If my best friend is facing east at sundown and says it's getting dark and I'm still facing west; I'm not gonna take off my sunglasses on her say so! ;) We're all entitled to have differing perspectives on any given issue. Without respect a difference of opinion is argumentive. With respect, it's simply a difference of opinion.

[Bailey-lover]

I cant agree more with this post. Just by seeing some of the responses in this very thread, you can see a tad bit of disrespect for other peoples opinions showing through. If only this place were a utopia where people respected others opinions no matter what- then we could all share our opinions on breeding without people thinking they are getting flamed, as negativity would be a thing of the past and not the present. :)


Sorry mojo I will apolagize for my rude behavior! The way I disagreed was rude and disrespectful! Im sorry:(:(:( Im not in a very happy mood today, But I have no right to be disrespectful! Im sorry!:(

[Borzoi mad]

[QUOTE=applesmom;195724]There seems to be a mistaken belief now and then that to disagree is rude or "gasp" even unfriendly. It's my belief that if we aren't true to ourselves we''re wasting our own time and that of everyone else who bothers to read what we write. If my best friend is facing east at sundown and says it's getting dark and I'm still facing west; I'm not gonna take off my sunglasses on her say so! ;) We're all entitled to have differing perspectives on any given issue. Without respect a difference of opinion is argumentive. With respect, it's simply a difference of opinion.[/QUOTE



Well said Applesmom.

I must just add that I think some people take things too personally. This is a public forum and you have to be prepared to listen to everyone's point of view and if so, you may learn something.



I also agrree with Applemom's first post where she says she is all for education of wannabe breeders, but she does not think it is a good idea to dedicate a specific section to breeding and that breeding sections are best left to breed specific forums, and that experienced ethical breeders are better equipped to offer guidance andinformation than the average pet owner.

[skunkstripe]

For whatever it is worth, I've seen "safe haven" breeding sections as well as "discussion of breeding" subforums elsewhere on the internet and I agree with Mojo that it almost always turns into a bashfest. What happens usually is that people who have given little thought to breeding get attracted to those forums, since they think those sections condone their intents to breed.
And at the same time, ethical breeders get upset because if they do reply and state their reasons why some of these people either shouldn't breed or should at least give more thought to it, they get accused of flaming, when all they are doing is disagreeing.
It's a hot button topic, that's for sure.

[brunosmom]

It's not about who's friends with who. It's about each of us having the freedom to express our own opinions and doing it with respect. The idea (mine) of posting in discussions is to stick to and express my own opinions even if those opinions should disagree with everyone else.

There's no harm in having opposing opinions as long as we treat the other person just like we'd like them to treat us while expressing their own opinions.

Without exposure to opposing opinions we'd never learn anything new.:)

Great post Applesmom! If only we all thought that way.......;)
I think the thread would turn too heated and cause more problems than there already are....yeah right, remember this isn't a prefect world...is it? :wtf:
...................................just my thoughts :p

[Katlovesdogs]

Not having a breeding section on the forum speaks volumes! It is enough in itself to convey the good moral intentions of forum members, i dont think the forum should bow down to pressure and create a section for something we dont want to encourage.

[Newt]

Being new here I have to say i like this forum its friendly and its great how everyone loves their dogs to bits......seeing all the pics and posts tells me this, to introduce a section on breeding would change the "style of the forum" and would no doubt end up with unhappy people it sometimes difficult to get the tone of a thread when its written and can very easily be misconsrued and breeding is a very emotive subject Please leave it to the other forums :)

[Borzoi mad]

Being new here I have to say i like this forum its friendly and its great how everyone loves their dogs to bits......seeing all the pics and posts tells me this, to introduce a section on breeding would change the "style of the forum" and would no doubt end up with unhappy people it sometimes difficult to get the tone of a thread when its written and can very easily be misconsrued and breeding is a very emotive subject Please leave it to the other forums :)


I agree , good post Newt

[sheplovr]

I do not feel giving ones opinion is being rude, it is when people take it that way, bring in their troopes to start a real argument about nothing.

Being a breeder is hard enough, trying to explain what ones opinion is, well here it is just plain difficult without a bunch jabbing each other and not even breeders.

To me being a breeder is more than ONE litter, it is years of sadness, pups dying without knowing just why, having the female take ill suddendly, having to be spayed immediately to save her, then bottle feed six week old pups. That is just tad bit of what I have done and seen so much sadness, heartbreak, that makes one either continue doing better or quit....

[Bailey-lover]

Ok,

guys I understand its probley not the best idea lol :p