Looking for stud service

[adb25]

Hi,
I couldn't find a good topic to put this under so Puppies looks like it.
I have a 2 1/2 yr old yellow lab. Im looking to find stud service for her around the october time frame. She is not AKC papered, but is full bred. Would like Chocolate or yellow stud. Price can be for dollar amount or pick of the litter. If they are full bred, but not papered( puppies) they usually sell for 100-150 each. Please reply to post or send me an email.
thank you

[ChessieLvr]

Do you have health clearances on your bitch? OFA? PRA? Titles? What does your bitch have that would improve the labrador breed? Why do you want to breed an unregistered bitch? The shelters are overrun with labradors...why contribute to the BYB problem ?

[zoe08]

I would say this isnt the best place to look for one. This is a dog forum where most people are very against backyard breeders and people of the such who are not responsible breeders. One of the first steps of being a responsible breeder is your dog being registered AND having all the health tests, etc.

Please do not breed her. I am not trying to offend you. I just want to make sure you are educated before hand. There are tons of labs in shelters.

May I ask your reason for wanting to breed her?

[lassie]

I can only endorse what has been said. Anybody contemplating breeding, should first of all have all the relevant health checks done. In this breed y they do get bad hip and joint problems. I know of somebody here in the UK who's lab pup cost him £5000 to have joint problems corrected:( Why the need to mate her? surely there are many of this breed in shelters already, if you were contemplating getting her a playmate.:mad:

[pittiegirl]

What everyone else said, plus, please go to this site and do the exercise before contemplating breeding any further.

http://www.geocities.com/virtualbreeding/vb1.html

[adb25]

Well, first of all, She has got a really good disposition, is very very intelligent, and I have 4 people who would like to have one of her pups. Her parents didn't have papers so that is why she doesn't have papers. I would like to breed her once before I get her fixed. Im not looking to become a breeder or anything like that. I would also like to have one of her pups. I just would like the pups to be full bred and not mixed. We love the Lab traits and dont think that mixing breeds is a good idea. so sue me for wanting to breed my dog one time.

[pittiegirl]

Labs litters are usually larger than 4 pups, what are you going to do with the rest of them? The 4 homes you already have lined up could give homes to some of the millions of labs that are in shelters on death row. Yes, even purebred labs are very common in shelters.

An estimated 7,000,000 animals per year are euthed. Let's say half are dogs. That's 3,500,000 dogs per year. That's 9589 per day. That's 400 dogs per hour,

7 dogs per minute? Is that right??
7 DOGS ARE EUTHANIZED EVERY MINUTE?

That is one dog killed every 9 seconds!

Echoing ChessieLvr "Do you have health clearances on your bitch? OFA? PRA? Titles?"

Do you know that your bitches lines are free from genetic problems, that her hips, elbows, and eyes are good? Here is a list of common health problems in the breed, which reputable breeders are breeding away from. http://www.dogbiz.com/dogs-grp1/ret-labrador/labrador-health-issues.html

Do you have a minimum of $2,000 set aside for complications, or in the event your bitch needs a c-section? Are you able to take several weeks off work in the event your puppies need to be hand-reared? Are your emotionally prepared for the death of your girl and one or more pups during the labor?

[p0g03]

It is unfortunate that you do not understand that there is a reason your dog and your dog's parents had no papers. They should have never been bred either! If you are not breeding to improve the breed you claim to love then you are doing a disservice to all Lab's.
Be it one litter or twenty of unproven, or at the very least health tested dogs will put you in the catagory of a backyard breeder.
I do not wish to come across as mean spirited but there are plenty of Lab rescues with dogs that need good homes already so please rethink this and do not add to the ever increasing problem.

[Cheetah]

In all honesty, I disagree with breeding your dog if it has no papers, and has not been proven in the ring or in the field with titles, and also if it has not been properly health tested for genetic problems. I disagree because I care, and because I am aware of how many dogs die in shelters each year.

Also, to be honest again, no reputable breeder with papered, proven dogs would go out and stud their dogs out to unpapered dogs who have not been proven or tested. Any breeder that would is not reputable. >-.-<

I'm getting a Fluffy-coated corgi that two champion dogs threw in a litter, and he's beautiful, and he's going to be very smart, sweet, and well-trained (when I'm done with him), but that does not make it okay for me to go find a female corgi to breed my severely-faulted, pet-quality dog...

[adb25]

I really understand all of your concerns and I appreciate your advice. It is none of your business unless you are offering the stud service, how much money I have in my bank account, or how much time I can take off of work. I am a pretty intelligent person and yes, I believe that dogs should have the best of health care. I don't appreciate some of the comments posted attacking my character when none of you know me, my dog or my family. thats fine if you want to post advice. However, don't treat someone you don't know like they are unintelligent. There may or may not be issues that I or the people wanting her pups have with rescues. Everyone has a choice. I've had 6 rescues over my life and this is the first one I got as a puppy.
As long as she has good health checks, I see no problem breeding without papers. Thats all they are is papers.
No big deal

[ChessieLvr]

As long as she has good health checks, I see no problem breeding without papers. Thats all they are is papers.
No big deal

By good health checks, what do you mean? PRA? OFA? The cost of getting those checks will be far more than the money you will have earned selling pups.

The breeding of dogs should be left to those who are experts.

My bitch is from champion parents. Her sire is in the top 25 in the US. Both her parents have been tested- eyes, elbows, hips. I think she is sweet and smart and beautiful. She is AKC registered. But because she was she was sold to me as a pet, she is pet quality. I had her spayed when she was 6 months. I love the breed too much to leave undesirable traits (that I can't see with a novice eye) in the Chesapeake gene pool.

[Cheetah]

I should also specify that I'm not for breeding dogs with just papers either. You are right about that... papers are just papers... the AKC will let you register any dog of an accepted breed, whether or not it's a good example. But papers mean nothing without points and placings in something - Conformation, performance, etc. titles. It's like holding movie tickets, and not going to the movie lol... The puppy I'm getting is CanKC and AKC papered, but I'm not going to breed him... on his first birthday, those balls are off haha...

[ic_kennels13]

I do not know the dog personally, but he is the stud that I will be using. I'm sorry for all of the other rude people; some people consider themselves professional breeders, when really they are just back yard breeders with a good kennel name, giving advice against the very things they themselves are doing. If you are interested in the stud, please contact me. I do not think he has papers, but the puppies he has produced have usually gone within a week or so (once they're ready to leave.)

[Cheetah]

You don't know the dog? I find it odd that somebody would use a stud dog that they know nothing about. What if he has a bad temperament? What if his hips are bad and he hasn't been tested?

I also can't figure out how people who breed proven, papered, champion or titled working dogs who have been thoroughly tested for health and genetic problems could EVER be lumped into the same group as Backyard breeders who breed their un-papered, unproven, un-tested dogs for fun and money. >-.-< But I guess it's just me.

No offense... like I said, I'm only even posting because I care a lot about the welfare of animals, and millions of pets (including labs) are euthanized in shelters each year. It makes me sad. >-.-<

[ChessieLvr]

I'm sorry for all of the other rude people; some people consider themselves professional breeders, when really they are just back yard breeders with a good kennel name, giving advice against the very things they themselves are doing.

Not one person here has represented themselved as being a breeder, only dog lovers/animal advocates.

[zoe08]

I do not know the dog personally, but he is the stud that I will be using. I'm sorry for all of the other rude people; some people consider themselves professional breeders, when really they are just back yard breeders with a good kennel name, giving advice against the very things they themselves are doing. If you are interested in the stud, please e-mail me at carrassco13@hotmail.com. I do not think he has papers, but the puppies he has produced have usually gone within a week or so (once they're ready to leave.)

If they were backyard breeders they would be offering up a stud and saying sure lets try to make some money.

And I guess even though you are saying they are backyard breeders you are OKing it cuz you are saying that that is what this is. You are saying they are advising against something they do themselves and calling them backyard breeders. So that means you are admitting to being one.

They were gone within a week of being ready to leave...sure....but will they all be in good homes their whole lives. How manny have or will end up in shelters? Do you know where they are? Do you get updates anything?

I dont think people are trying to be rude. They are trying to be informative.

If you want one of the pups, why not just get another one from another good breeder? Breeding your dog with a dog you dont know may be a really bad idea. If you dont know the other dogs traits and temperaments, then there is really no telling how your puppies will turn out.

[ic_kennels13]

I don't exactly know what you meant by I'm admitting to being one. I think that if a breeder is advising against the things that they are doing, then it makes them a back yard breeder. But I'm not breeding for money. I'm breeding for temperament, and quality, to improve the breed, and I am strongly considering putting a spay/neuter contract on the sale of my puppies. Please do not assume that I am admitting to anything, when you are simply confused by what I have said.

[ChessieLvr]

I don't exactly know what you meant by I'm admitting to being one. I think that if a breeder is advising against the things that they are doing, then it makes them a back yard breeder. But I'm not breeding for money. I'm breeding for temperament, and quality, to improve the breed, and I am strongly considering putting a spay/neuter contract on the sale of my puppies. Please do not assume that I am admitting to anything, when you are simply confused by what I have said.

Please take no offense, but you are 13. I honestly think that at 13, you do not have the educational background nor the experience to call yourself an responsible breeder.
That is wonderful that you want to become a breeder. You should find a reputable local breeder who can become a mentor to you. Choose a breed that you love. Take lots of genetics courses in college. Become a breeder the right way- responsibly. Just don't throw two dogs in your backyard because you think they're pretty and nice.

[zoe08]

I do not know the dog personally, but he is the stud that I will be using.

How can you use a stud that you dont know and call yourself a responsible breeder?

[lassie]

Well im a small time breeder, who breeds when she wants one to show.:D (9 litters in 31years!:)
I start looking around for a stud dog months before i intend using him. I go to shows see what hes thrown, look at his temperment and that of his offspring. I see if his pedigree ties in with my bitch. BUT most importantly i see if hes had all the relevant health checks done for the breed.
A respsonsible breeder also takes back any stock if need be. ;) And thats VERY important, how many pedigrees are in shelters/ rescue homes because the breeder doesn't take them back?
Despite what people think breeding a litter is very expensive, and time consuming.
Didnt mean to preach , just got carried away:o

[adb25]

So let me ask you this. Do any of you, who have said to get dogs out of the pound first, have kids? If so are they your own?
Yes, well why didn't you go to the state and get kids out of the foster care system before you went and had ones of your own?

[ChessieLvr]

Good God! There is a slight difference between a person and a puppy.
And there is nothing wrong with buying a purebred puppy from a reputable breeder who has their dogs screened for genetic problems, who shows their dogs, who strives to improve the breed.
There is something wrong with supporting a backyard breeder (or being a backyard breeder) who simply throws two dogs together because they're nice and cute.
If you love the Labrador so much, why are you intent on harming the breed?

[MaryGrace]

ABD25: Everyone here is trying to be helpful. Please don't be rude. We are just trying to protect the world from more unwanted puppies. Labradors DO often have litters of 10 pups- what would you do with the rest? Please reconsider. :)

[kelsiebug]

every one here is trying to be helpful.please be a little more nicer. dont be rude, please? i agree with sum things you say but sum i dont.what will you do with the other pups she has? other than the 4 you already have homes 4.oh and your dog is gorgeus!

[zoe08]

So let me ask you this. Do any of you, who have said to get dogs out of the pound first, have kids? If so are they your own?
Yes, well why didn't you go to the state and get kids out of the foster care system before you went and had ones of your own?

I think people should have to take stupidity or responsibility tests before reproducing. But thats just me, I have seen way too many people with children that they cant or wont take care of.

If the parents are responsible, great they can have kids. If the breeder is responsible then sure they can breed. And by being responsible that means breeding dogs that are health checked and purebred, having the extra money incase she or the puppies need emergency vet care, making sure both dogs have good qualities and are good reps of their breed, being able to keep any puppy you cant sell until finding them a good home, doing good checks on the people you do sell the pups to, and promising that shall they ever not be able to keep it, you will take it back into your home, and much, much more. That is just a short list of what is required in being a responsible breeder.

[DidoTeaka]

I don't want to step on any toes here, so I'll just say this: adb25, good luck in finding a stud, just be very choosey and careful. I'm looking for one, too, just not here. :)

[Iluvpupppies]

My sister has talked to me about backyard breeding and Ithink it is totally wrong you have a great looking dog that but if u are like most backyard breeder's you gunna kill her with all that breeding I bet u didnt know it was bad for her what if u get a person that doesnt really know if their dog has any problems or not and you dog gets sick what are you gunnna do if she die's? have you no heart for animals I think your on the wrong site

[kelsiebug]

My sister has talked to me about backyard breeding and Ithink it is totally wrong you have a great looking dog that but if u are like most backyard breeder's you gunna kill her with all that breeding I bet u didnt know it was bad for her what if u get a person that doesnt really know if their dog has any problems or not and you dog gets sick what are you gunnna do if she die's? have you no heart for animals I think your on the wrong site
i do agree!!!!!!