Looking for boxer puppies advice please

[pippaboxer]

me and my girlfriend are looking into getting a boxer pup.

we want to know about this breed of dog, if it will be suitable and other information like how much it will cost to keep it, vet bills, insurance, micro chips, health issues ect ect

we also need advice on where to buy one from as i don't fancy getting one out the local paper i want to visit a proffessional breeder who has good knowledge/advice and good dogs, i want a realy chunky boxer dog if there is such a thing.

Thanks ..

[Jake2006]

Hi, welcome to the forum.

I can't give you any boxer advice as I have never owned one but there are plenty of boxer owners who are members who I'm sure will help if they can.

Are you from UK?

Jake and me in rainy Scotland today.

[pippaboxer]

yes we are in the midlands. thanks

[vinya12]

here are some links for you

http://www.ukboxerdogs.co.uk/

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/guided/all_boxer_breeders.html

The best thing to do, is phone a good breeder and ask if you can visit them. you can then meet some boxer dogs and ask questions about the breed. its also good to join the breed club and also to get as many books as you can. if you want to find a really good breeder you can ask the kennel club for a list of good breeders

[pippaboxer]

Sorry im really new to all this. How do i ask the kennel club for good breeder? who are the kennel club and where do i find them?

Thanks for the advice

[vinya12]

here is there website
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/

The Kennel club are where all good breeders register there dogs and puppy's .however a K.C. puppy does not guaranty a good pup. a dog needs to be kennel club reg to be a show dog. The kennel club keep a list of all puppy's registered with them and they know of all the breeders

[Borzoi mad]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

There are heart problems in boxers so you must ask your potential breeders about this before buying a puppy.

I would suggest that you and your o/h visit a few dog shows in your area and speak to the boxers exhibitors they should be able to point you in the right direction .

You could also speak to someone at the breed club.

Here is a link for UK Boxer Council which may be of some help. You can find out about health etc on this link . Good luck and hope you find a puppy do keep us posted.

http://www.boxerbreedcouncil.co.uk/

[pippaboxer]

thanks for that.

im not looking to show a dog just want one for a family pet, but i want a pukka one!

thanks

[pippaboxer]

just phoned breeder up and he says that all boxers now have tails and claws? i wanted a boxer without a tail

what now

[Mcknkc]

If you are looking just for a pet and not a show dog you might look at Boxer Rescues. I don't know about the UK but here in the US there are many, may boxer rescue organizations. These are full-blooded, many times papered boxers, whose owners have given them up. For some reason lots of people who purchase boxers think they can turn them into mean, fighting dogs (because of their strong bodies and facial expressions, I guess) but that's just not in a boxer's nature. They are big lovable goofs who stay in their teens for ages. They are great dogs. I have a few friends that have adopted from such rescues and they couldn't be better dogs. All of the boxers I've known have been absolutely wonderful with kids - great family pets. Just and idea. Good luck on your new pup.

[skunkstripe]

Hi pippaboxer and welcome to the forum.
I understand the you do not want a show dog, but the reason to look into getting a pup from someone who does show is that it is far more likely that the breeder will be taking care to do the necessary health tests to make sure the dogs grow up to be strong and healthy. There are plenty of breeders out there who simply take two dogs that are handy, mate them, and sell the pups. They may well be nice Boxers and even healthy, but it is playing roulette. A really good breeder keeps up with what becomes of the animals they breed and if one turns out to be carrying a hereditary disease then that line will be removed from the breeding program.
So a less expensive dog from someone not involved with showing may seem like a nice enough family pet, but you could end up with the heartache of terrible medical problems, to say nothing of the cost.
By the way, all dogs have claws and tails that is how they are born. :)

[vinya12]

it's against the law in the UK to Doc the tails of Dogs. The Boxer looks fine with a tail. You just need to get used to the new look.

[vinya12]

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/vinya12/tail.gif

[pippaboxer]

spoke to a boxer breeder and he told me that the boxer dogs tail is hard like bone and is very powerful and can hurt you children if whipped at them.

he also told me that because boxer dogs jump up alot they need to have the due claws removed on the front arms of their legs.

apparently in ireland they can still dock the tails, does anybody know the truth in this?

if so looks like im off to ireland.

[vinya12]

can I ask why you want one without a tail?

[pippaboxer]

just because they look better IMO.

[Jake2006]

Jake is an Irish Water Spaniel with an intact tail - his tail is like a whip - but he uses it as a communication tool - in fact he is known as 'happy tail'. Have a look at this before you make a definite decision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC9NlOFJ6eE

Have a look at it anyway you might want an IWS and they are an endangered breed!

[pippaboxer]

thanks but no thanks i like boxers the traditional way, thats without a tail.

[Jake2006]

thanks but no thanks i like boxers the traditional way, thats without a tail.

Having established that you want your boxer's tail docked would you be getting its ears cropped too as I believe that is the traditional look for boxers?

[skunkstripe]

They are called "dewclaws" and opinions are mixed as to whether they should be removed. In some cases it is believed that the dog can injure himself if they remain, but it is hard to find anyone who has actually seen an injury of this type.
By the way, Labrador Retrievers have tails that can clear a coffee table with one swipe. :) When they swim, they use them as rudders.

[zoeybeau1]

I live in northern Ireland and it is still legal to dock here.
Can I ask you pippa why you want a boxer?
Do you work?
Do you have kid's?
just some of the questions I ask when people call me looking for my puppies.
Do you mind answering questions when the breeder askes you?
As some people want to know where the puppies are going to, and about the families that takes them.
If you don't mind answereing questions, breeder's no- you have nothing to hide and there fore you seem genuine, and will welcome you to see there dog's.
I aslo like to show people what adult boxers are like tempremant wise, and they molt, and slobber, not that often but the do slobber and smell after playing out, if you still want a dog or a Boxer in your case you should find any breeder will welcome you.
As with my puppies when you have gone through the interview process and are accepted, you will be told if the puppy that is picked for you has to pass the vet, and be vaccinated and chipped before you take him/her home, we want to keep in touch see how the puppies we have bred turn out, also we tell you that, if anything happens that you can't keep him, he is returned to us.
And if you still agree to all of that, only then is the puppy your's.
So if you dont mind all of that then you stand a good chance of being accepted by your breeder.

[Jake2006]

I live in northern Ireland and it is still legal to dock here.
Can I ask you pippa why you want a boxer?
Do you work?
Do you have kid's?
just some of the questions I ask when people call me looking for my puppies.
Do you mind answering questions when the breeder skes you?
As some people want to know where the puppies are going to, and about the familt that takes them.
If you don't mind answereing questions, breeder's no- you have nothing to hide and there fore you seem genuine, and will welcome you to see there dog's.
I aslo like to show people what adult boxers are like tempremant wise, and they moly, and slobber, not that often but the do slobber and smell after playing out, if you still want a dog or a Boxer in your case you should find any breeder will welcome you.
As with my puppies when you have gone through the interview process and are accepted, you will be told if the puppy that is picked for you has to pass the vet, and be vaccinated and chipped before you take him/her home, we want to keep in touch see how the puppies we have bred turn out, also we tell you that, if anything happens that you can't keep him, he is returned to us.
And if you still agree to all of that, only then is the puppy your's.
So if you dont mind all of that then you stand a good chance of being accepted by your breeder.


Hi, lovely dog in your avatar I'm confused (Im irish). I understood that it is illegal to dock in Northern Ireland? And that if you order a puppy from outside the UK to bring into the UK that is illegal?

What are the rules on that? Thanks

[zoeybeau1]

Northern Ireland believe it or not is still classed as the uk, I believe if you buy a docked dog from abroad you cant show it at a fee paying show, one where the public has to pay to get in.
So you will not be able to show at cruft's, because it is docked.

[lassie]

if you want a boxer without a tail for a pet why not go to boxer rescue.

[Jake2006]

Oh is this the wrong information? I'm asking because I was with my Vet earlier today and this is the information he gave.

Northern Ireland

Leading Counsel has advised:

1. Docking, which may be defined as the amputation of the whole or part of a dog's tail has, since July 1993, been illegal under UK law, if performed by a lay person.

2. The Royal College has for many years been firmly opposed to the docking of dogs' tails, whatever the age of the dog, by anyone, unless it can be shown truly to be required for therapeutic or truly prophylactic reasons.

3. Docking cannot be defined as prophylactic unless it is undertaken for the necessary protection of the given dog from risks to that dog of disease or of injury which is likely to arise in the future from the retention of an entire tail. The test of likelihood is whether or not such outcome will probably arise in the case of that dog if it is not docked. Faecal soiling in the dog is not for this purpose a disease or injury, and its purported prevention by surgical means cannot be justified.

4. Similarly, docking cannot be described as prophylactic if it is undertaken merely on request, or just because the dog is of a particular breed, type or conformation. Council considers that such docking is unethical.

5. Docking a dog's tail for reasons which are other than truly therapeutic or prophylactic is capable of amounting to conduct disgraceful in a professional respect. In the event of disciplinary proceedings being brought in respect of tail docking, it shall be open to the RCVS by evidence to prove, and to the Disciplinary Committee on such evidence to find, that any therapeutic or prophylactic justification advanced for the docking in question is without substance. If such a finding is made, the Disciplinary Committee may proceed to consider and to decide whether in the circumstances the veterinary surgeon who undertook that docking knew, or ought to have known, that such purported justification is without substance.

6. For the avoidance of any doubt, any instance of tail docking which is found to have been undertaken for reasons which were not truly therapeutic or prophylactic will necessarily constitute an unacceptable mutilation of the dog, which, if carried out by a veterinary surgeon who knew or ought to have known of the lack of true justification, would almost certainly be considered to be conduct disgraceful in a professional respect.



RCVS Council, June 2007


Veterinary Careers
New medicines legislation

[skunkstripe]

Oh is this the wrong information? I'm asking because I was with my Vet earlier today and this is the information he gave.

Northern Ireland

Leading Counsel has advised:

1. Docking, which may be defined as the amputation of the whole or part of a dog's tail has, since July 1993, been illegal under UK law, if performed by a lay person.

2. The Royal College has for many years been firmly opposed to the docking of dogs' tails, whatever the age of the dog, by anyone, unless it can be shown truly to be required for therapeutic or truly prophylactic reasons.

3. Docking cannot be defined as prophylactic unless it is undertaken for the necessary protection of the given dog from risks to that dog of disease or of injury which is likely to arise in the future from the retention of an entire tail. The test of likelihood is whether or not such outcome will probably arise in the case of that dog if it is not docked. Faecal soiling in the dog is not for this purpose a disease or injury, and its purported prevention by surgical means cannot be justified.

4. Similarly, docking cannot be described as prophylactic if it is undertaken merely on request, or just because the dog is of a particular breed, type or conformation. Council considers that such docking is unethical.

5. Docking a dog's tail for reasons which are other than truly therapeutic or prophylactic is capable of amounting to conduct disgraceful in a professional respect. In the event of disciplinary proceedings being brought in respect of tail docking, it shall be open to the RCVS by evidence to prove, and to the Disciplinary Committee on such evidence to find, that any therapeutic or prophylactic justification advanced for the docking in question is without substance. If such a finding is made, the Disciplinary Committee may proceed to consider and to decide whether in the circumstances the veterinary surgeon who undertook that docking knew, or ought to have known, that such purported justification is without substance.

6. For the avoidance of any doubt, any instance of tail docking which is found to have been undertaken for reasons which were not truly therapeutic or prophylactic will necessarily constitute an unacceptable mutilation of the dog, which, if carried out by a veterinary surgeon who knew or ought to have known of the lack of true justification, would almost certainly be considered to be conduct disgraceful in a professional respect.



RCVS Council, June 2007


Veterinary Careers
New medicines legislation

In plain English what I read that to mean is:
1) If you are not a medical professional, it is illegal for you to dock a tail
2) If you are a medical professional, the RCVS considers tail docking unethical unless it is performed to relieve or prevent a medical condition. Furthermore the RCVS may take discplinary action against a veterinary surgeon who docks a tail without a medical justifiable reason.

[Borzoi mad]

Hi Carole as far as I know Docking is still Legal in Northern Ireland

see this Link and scroll down

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1547686/Neglectful-dog-owners-could-face-prosection.html

[pippaboxer]

I live in northern Ireland and it is still legal to dock here.
Can I ask you pippa why you want a boxer?
Do you work?
Do you have kid's?
just some of the questions I ask when people call me looking for my puppies.
Do you mind answering questions when the breeder skes you?
As some people want to know where the puppies are going to, and about the familt that takes them.
If you don't mind answereing questions, breeder's no- you have nothing to hide and there fore you seem genuine, and will welcome you to see there dog's.
I aslo like to show people what adult boxers are like tempremant wise, and they moly, and slobber, not that often but the do slobber and smell after playing out, if you still want a dog or a Boxer in your case you should find any breeder will welcome you.
As with my puppies when you have gone through the interview process and are accepted, you will be told if the puppy that is picked for you has to pass the vet, and be vaccinated and chipped before you take him/her home, we want to keep in touch see how the puppies we have bred turn out, also we tell you that, if anything happens that you can't keep him, he is returned to us.
And if you still agree to all of that, only then is the puppy your's.
So if you dont mind all of that then you stand a good chance of being accepted by your breeder.


Thanks for that advice.

Do you have any pups or know any reputable breeders, me and my girlfriend will be coming over to ireland to purchase a boxer without a tail and dew claws, and then bring him back over.

Thanks again!

[Jake2006]

Hi Carole as far as I know Docking is still Legal in Northern Ireland

see this Link and scroll down

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1547686/Neglectful-dog-owners-could-face-prosection.html

That article is before the one I posted - think the telegraph's is april and RCVS is June.

[Borzoi mad]

If you look againCarole I.msureyou'll find theTelegraph articleiis June 2008

[Jake2006]

Eunice - do you mean the date you accessed the page which shows as June or the article?



Neglectful dog owners could face prosection
By Charles Clover, Environment Editor
Last Updated: 2:05AM BST 05/04/2007

I think I must be having a senior moment - can someone else look please?

[Borzoi mad]

Eunice - do you mean the date you accessed the page which shows as June or the article?



Neglectful dog owners could face prosection
By Charles Clover, Environment Editor
Last Updated: 2:05AM BST 05/04/2007

I think I must be having a senior moment - can someone else look please?


Ooops sorry Carole:o:omy apologies


But even so litters born before June 08 in Northern Ireland wouldstill be able to be legally docked.

[Jake2006]

No LOL - June 2007 (I think) I'm shutting up now.

[MegBonnie]

This can't just be me - since when is it 'nicer' to have a dog that's had it's tail amputated rather than getting just a dog...a WHOLE dog. Believe it or not their tails and dew claws are all part of the dog! You don't look at a child and say, 'oh I think it would look much nicer without that perfectly normal part, lets just whip it off'...an arm for example, you use it, just as dogs use their tails but you can manage without that so why not just remove it for the heck of it?!

Apologies but it really, really irritates me why people prefer to put their dog through that and leave it unable to wag and show when it's happy and sad just for cosmetic appearance - and by the way, they're all much nicer just the way they're born, WITH their tails! Grrr...

This is for another thread so I'll leave it here but for goodness sake, consider the dog, not your idea of the way it should look - you should love it whatever and if you won't even consider a boxer with a tail then maybe you should reconsider owning one at all.

[vinya12]

I know how you feel megbonnie, but some people are just selfish and only want what they want ,and if this means cutting of a puppy's tail they will. it is very sad

[skunkstripe]

Folks, you're talking to each other at this point.
OP is not interested in pursuing a debate on docking or removing dewclaws. Those of you who are opposed to it are also IMO not likely to talk OP out of it. Namecalling has never changed anyone's mind either. :mad:

[zoeybeau1]

In plain English what I read that to mean is:
1) If you are not a medical professional, it is illegal for you to dock a tail
2) If you are a medical professional, the RCVS considers tail docking unethical unless it is performed to relieve or prevent a medical condition. Furthermore the RCVS may take discplinary action against a veterinary surgeon who docks a tail without a medical justifiable reason.

Yeap we know but certain vet's will still dock but putit this way you can't walk into a vet and say I have alitter will you dock them, you have to be known to the vet, and registered and then still not all will do it.
We know a vet who breed's rotts and docked his first litter for a friend of a friend who I don't know, and he done a horrible job to be honest.
Much to short. but pippa if you pm me i know of someone with wee puppies I think they are 7-8weeks, it is his first litter I'l get his number for you all mine have homes.

[zoeybeau1]

I know how you feel megbonnie, but some people are just selfish and only want what they want ,and if this means cutting of a puppy's tail they will. it is very sad

I understand how you feel, and will not argue about any ones opinion, everyone is entitled to it.;)

[zoeybeau1]

The Kennel Club Advice on Docking

31-Jan-08


The law regarding the docking of dogs’ tails changed in Wales on 28th March 2007, in England on 6th April 2007 and in Scotland on 30th April 2007. Any change to animal welfare legislation in Northern Ireland is in its very early stages at present and lobbying will continue there. Apart from the fact that the legislation came into effect slightly earlier in Wales, the law will be the same for both England and Wales.
While an exemption for working dogs was achieved for England and Wales, there is no such exemption in Scotland. As a result the law will affect competitors and show organisers in different ways in England & Wales, in Scotland and in Northern Ireland.
Inevitably there will be a certain amount of interpretation of the law which will only be made clear if it is tested in the Courts. However the Kennel Club has attempted to clarify the great complexities of the new law, as far as possible, through the following Questions and Answers.

The Kennel Club does not approve of the legislation which has been introduced but it nevertheless has a duty to advise:

Societies whose shows the KC, SKC or WKC licenses
Exhibitors and Competitors who attend these shows
Breeders and
Judges
on how to proceed so as to avoid putting themselves in danger of acting unlawfully.
It is not the intention of the Kennel Club to police the law actively nor to get involved in disputes as to whether or not dogs have or have not been illegally docked or illegally shown. That is a matter for the authorities. The Kennel Club will however be required to follow up any convictions successfully brought under the Acts and will require to discipline proven offenders accordingly under its own Regulations.
The rules are complicated because of the different dates on which they were introduced and because of the slight differences between one part of the UK and the other.
Broadly speaking however here is a brief outline:
DOGS DOCKED BEFORE THE RELEVANT DATES
These can continue to be shown at all shows in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. However if your dog was docked on or around the various relevant dates (from 28th March 2007 to 30th April 2007 inclusive) you should refer to the detailed Questions and Answers below which will describe the exact situation.
DOGS DOCKED ON OR AFTER THE RELEVANT DATES
Irrespective of where they were docked, they may not be shown at shows in England and Wales where the public is charged a fee for admission.
If they were docked legally either in England, Wales, Northern Ireland or abroad they may be shown at any show in Scotland or Northern Ireland - but in England and Wales they may only be shown at shows where the public is admitted without the payment of a fee.
However if your dog was docked on or around the various relevant dates (from 28th March 2007 to 30th April 2007 inclusive) you should refer to the detailed Questions and Answers below which will describe the exact situation.
ILLEGALLY DOCKED DOGS
Dogs which have been ILLEGALLY docked are not permitted to be shown at any shows licensed by the Kennel Club, the Scottish Kennel Club or the Welsh Kennel Club.
The following are some of the detailed questions and answers which arise. Some of the answers are, of necessity, rather complex. The Kennel Club regrets this but the problems are not of its making – they arise because of the complexities of the Acts. These are complexities about which the Kennel Club warned legislators in advance.

[pippaboxer]

Thanks for all the great advice, this forum is very helpful, keep the good avice coming.

[vixen]

anyone thinking of going to ireland to get there dog docked, or even just to buy a docked dog.may want to concider this artical.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/7443982.stm


but why anyone would want to buy a dog thats been damaged is behond me. It like cutting someones voise box out.

I not anti docking, I beleave it inportant that working gundogs and and terriers are still dog. But most nather have the whole tails docked and can still talk if a little slerd.

please look into dog comunicattion before concidering a docked dog.

Sadly many people will proberly stop giving advice to you, as being most are saying don't get docked and your not going with there advice. So will be thinking whats the point if your not going to take it.

lastly can I ask if your getting a Boxer because its a good breed to have or because it looks good without a tail. Cos if it is the second one maybe you should rethink getting a dog at all.

[pippaboxer]

Hi,

a breeder told me that the boxer dogs have the tails docked because they cause can damage their tails by whipping them against things, and then need them amputating anyway, so this is the main reason. How true that is i don't know?

I am not getting a boxer because i think they look good without a tail, my dad has one and they are so friendly, playful and silly little dogs, they are such a joy to be around.

My dads boxer is daft as a brush and does some really funny things.

Why are so many people against getting the tails docked? Please explain, is this bad for the dog?

[pippaboxer]

please read this about the boxers tail...

http://www.cdb.org/boxer_tail.htm

[Jake2006]

Hi,

a breeder told me that the boxer dogs have the tails docked because they cause can damage their tails by whipping them against things, and then need them amputating anyway, so this is the main reason. How true that is i don't know?

I am not getting a boxer because i think they look good without a tail, my dad has one and they are so friendly, playful and silly little dogs, they are such a joy to be around.

My dads boxer is daft as a brush and does some really funny things.

Why are so many people against getting the tails docked? Please explain, is this bad for the dog?


Hi

There are a few things you could consider.

1. You are going to need Vet in the UK who hasn't signed the anti-docking alliance (which vets sign) because if you take your dog to a vet that is against docking you are going to have to answer a lot of questions regarding the origin of our puppy.

2. A dog's tail is a communication tool - I posted the video of my dog - he uses his tail to communicate with me too - I know when there is something in the grass or hedgerows as Jake stops and points with his tail erect.

And here's an article by Emma the TV Vet

Tail docking
This involves cutting off a puppy’s tail between 1 and 3 days of age. Most people don’t know that it is usually done with a pair of scissors or nail- clippers and always without anaesthetic. The pro-dockers will have you believe that some puppies won’t even notice because it is so painless. This is absolute rubbish. It is the equivalent of cutting off a human baby’s little finger. Do you think it would notice? So why do it?
Primarily it was done to working animals like Spaniels to prevent damage while hunting. How many docked breeds still work? When was the last time you saw a working Yorkshire Terrier or Poodle? Now it is done because the ‘breed standard’ says it should be.

Tail-docking is not only barbaric and an unnecessary mutilation it also removes one of the primary means of communication of about 50% of our dogs. A certain number are incorrectly done, illegally by the breeders and can result in horrific spinal cord infections which can be fatal. We condemn places like the States where they still crop ears and declaw cats but we are SO hypocritical.

Get into the 21st century and STOP IT!

[bunnyphone]

Hi,

a breeder told me that the boxer dogs have the tails docked because they cause can damage their tails by whipping them against things, and then need them amputating anyway, so this is the main reason. How true that is i don't know?

I am not getting a boxer because i think they look good without a tail, my dad has one and they are so friendly, playful and silly little dogs, they are such a joy to be around.

My dads boxer is daft as a brush and does some really funny things.

Why are so many people against getting the tails docked? Please explain, is this bad for the dog?

Any dog 'could' damage its tail by whacking it against something, but this is a small risk. Some working dogs like spaniels are docked because people feel they are more likely to damage the tail while working in confined spaces, say like sniffer dogs searching. You're aren't looking for a working dog, and it's unlikely that your dog will hurt its tail. I feel that it's wrong to remove part of a dog 'just in case' it might hurt itself. If there is a tail injury you can deal with that if it happens.
Mainly, dogs have just been docked because it was once fashionable then became traditional.
Also, dogs use their tails for communication with other dogs. A tail held high and stiffly can signal dominance or aggression; a low waggy tail shows friendliness and submission; a tail between the legs shows fear. When you remove the tail you make it harder for your dog to communicate with other dogs.

[Melamaphine]

The argument that the dog might 'damage' its tail is so flawed in 99% of cases. Gundogs can still be docked under licence and the argument has the tiniest relevance here as dogs rush through thorny undergrowth and may damage a tail.

But, I still don't think docking is necessary. Even in gundogs, some breeds are traditionally docked and others aren't. Why spaniels and pointers but not labs and retrievers when both can be used for the same job?

I've had (rescue) dogs with docked tails and it breaks my heart to see their little stumps trying to wag. The argument in my mind is like us saying 'well, you might damage your fingers, you only need the thumb and index so lets cut off the others to be on the safe side'.

To me, it doesn't make any sense!

As for boxers, I recently saw a docked boxer pup, which obviously had been illegally done and it looked AWFUL. The tail was shrivelled and bent and looked just awful.

[pippaboxer]

ok i see, i will do some more resaerch on the subject.

Did anyone read my link?
http://www.cdb.org/boxer_tail.htm (http://www.cdb.org/boxer_tail.htm)

[applesmom]

The argument that the dog might 'damage' its tail is so flawed in 99% of cases. Gundogs can still be docked under licence and the argument has the tiniest relevance here as dogs rush through thorny undergrowth and may damage a tail.

But, I still don't think docking is necessary. Even in gundogs, some breeds are traditionally docked and others aren't. Why spaniels and pointers but not labs and retrievers when both can be used for the same job?

I've had (rescue) dogs with docked tails and it breaks my heart to see their little stumps trying to wag. The argument in my mind is like us saying 'well, you might damage your fingers, you only need the thumb and index so lets cut off the others to be on the safe side'.

To me, it doesn't make any sense!

As for boxers, I recently saw a docked boxer pup, which obviously had been illegally done and it looked AWFUL. The tail was shrivelled and bent and looked just awful.

Some of the pointing breeds, German Shorthairs for one have extremely thin tails after the 4th joint which leaves them prone to serious tail injuries. The also whip their tails in circles or furiously side to side when working in dense brush. They can come home from a day of hunting looking like their tails were caught in a meat grinder. To leave them succeptable to such injuries would indeed be animal cruelty since a tiny snip before they have any feeling in their tails can so easlily prevent these horrible injuries.

[Jake2006]

ok i see, i will do some more resaerch on the subject.

Did anyone read my link?
http://www.cdb.org/boxer_tail.htm (http://www.cdb.org/boxer_tail.htm)

That article is very biased its written by the Council for Docked Breeds! The argument is academic. It is illegal in the UK (including Ireland). If you get a docked puppy you are breaking the law. It is incumbent upon your Veterinary Surgeon to report it. You do not have the same protection of confidentiality as you have with a medical practitioner or a Priest.

[Melamaphine]

Yes I read it and personally I think its a load of rubbish created by the pro-docking fraternity, but I don't want to go into that as it is a digression from the thread and has been extensively covered on the forum. Docking is a very passionate subject for everyone, few are on the fence over it, it's either strongly for or strongly against.

As for choosing a boxer, I would recomment visiting a few open or champ shows and looking at the boxers. It's amazing how different the lines can be and you may find one that you like more than others, then talk to the breeders about their dogs. Most breeders will give you the spanish inquisition and to me this is a GOOD sign, it means they really care about where their puppies go.

Try talking to boxer rescue too, they sometimes get young dogs as boxers often prove too much for their owners. Are you set on a puppy or would you consider a rescue adult?

[Jake2006]

Some of the pointing breeds, German Shorthairs for one have extremely thin tails after the 4th joint which leaves them prone to serious tail injuries. The also whip their tails in circles or furiously side to side when working in dense brush. They can come home from a day of hunting looking like their tails were caught in a meat grinder. To leave them succeptable to such injuries would indeed be animal cruelty since a tiny snip before they have any feeling in their tails can so easlily prevent these horrible injuries.


True but not in the UK. There are very few tail injuries in the UK. Our habitat is not the same as the USA.

[Melamaphine]

Some of the pointing breeds, German Shorthairs for one have extremely thin tails after the 4th joint which leaves them prone to serious tail injuries. The also whip their tails in circles or furiously side to side when working in dense brush. They can come home from a day of hunting looking like their tails were caught in a meat grinder. To leave them succeptable to such injuries would indeed be animal cruelty since a tiny snip before they have any feeling in their tails can so easlily prevent these horrible injuries

Applesmom I respect your views on this, I too know working gundogs that are docked and I have had the reasoning extensively explained to me by the dogs' owners. I understand that in the true working dog it is often deemed a necessity.
My point is really that in most dogs there really is no need for it as the dogs don't work, let alone work where they are tearing through undergrowth. Especially in a breed like boxers who aren't ever used for work like a GSP, what's the point?

Don't mean to digress! sorry

My old springer was very badly docked and it caused problems all through his life as the scarring used to get infected.

[applesmom]

Applesmom I respect your views on this, I too know working gundogs that are docked and I have had the reasoning extensively explained to me by the dogs' owners. I understand that in the true working dog it is often deemed a necessity.
My point is really that in most dogs there really is no need for it as the dogs don't work, let alone work where they are tearing through undergrowth. Especially in a breed like boxers who aren't ever used for work like a GSP, what's the point?

Don't mean to digress! sorry

My old springer was very badly docked and it caused problems all through his life as the scarring used to get infected.

I won't debate the issue as I'm 100 percent convinced it's necessary in some of the sporting breeds. I've also held enough puppies while they were being docked to be completely convinced they feel no pain during the procedure. However I do not agree with anyone doing it that isn't a trained veterinarian.

[skunkstripe]

In case anyone is interested in the historical background, docking was peformed by the ancient Romans. The theory was that the wormlike muscles in the tail were thought to cause rabies.

Hopefully this link will work.
http://books.google.com/books?id=-G0vRI0_w3IC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=tail+docking+romans+worms+rabies&source=web&ots=jKCd4wHT2u&sig=L7qb9wtlMUY1oQkoPYINHX5JIdU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA36,M1
If should be pg 36 of "First Friend: A History of Dogs and Humans" By Katharine M. Rogers on googlebooks.

Here is an article which mentions the ancient Romans - among other things.
http://www.animallaw.info/articles/dduscroppingdocking.htm

[pippaboxer]

Yes i really have my heart set on a puppy boxer.

What different lines are their? Do you mean like a different kind of breed? Sorry im new to this forum and dog technicalitys

We are looking for a red & white boxer, im now in 2 minds about the tail thing.

As far as im aware it is not illegal to buy a boxer pup from ireland and bring it over to england? IS it?

As its still legal in ireland i don't see why it is illegal to buy one? Surely a vet would understand if you told him you got the dog from a breeder in Ireland.

Please help i may be being naive and i don't want you to think im being selfish or ignorant about this.

I dont want any issues bringing up my pup

Thanks

Pippa & Dave

[pippaboxer]

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cdb.org/images/swedam2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cdb.org/countries/swedishdamage.htm&h=293&w=402&sz=20&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=hNXINo_QSD2KDM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dboxer%2Btail%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa% 3DN (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cdb.org/images/swedam2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cdb.org/countries/swedishdamage.htm&h=293&w=402&sz=20&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=hNXINo_QSD2KDM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dboxer%2Btail%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa% 3DN)

Im confused with articles like this on the net it makes me beleive that docking is a good thing..

HELP

[skunkstripe]

Pippaboxer that article is from the "Council on Docked Breeds." They have an interest in preserving the possibility of docking. Honestly I'm having a hard time believing that 17% of Boxers damage their tails in the home. Either they must have very fragile tails or must be doing something unusual to hurt themselves like that.

I would like to think that if vets are indeed noticing an increase in tail injuries then they would speak up to return to the practice if it indeed prevents injury later in life. I have searched and not found anything along the lines of a call to return to the practice of docking in Sweden. We do have a member her who is fluent in Swedish so if there is anything on the internet about the experiences in Sweden we can amost certainly get a report on it from one of our members.

You had mentioned that you had talked to a breeder on the phone - that breeder may be a good source of information for you as well.

[Melamaphine]

Pippa, I'll respond to your question about different 'lines' in dog breeding, I won't with the docking as I feel I've expressed my views concisely. It is up to you if you wish to import a dog from Ireland, this to me seems absurd and unnecessary but people do do it and it is your puppy.

In any breed of dog, there are variations in different 'lines'.... think of it as different family trees, people look different but there are resemblances that run down through families and also illnesses that are linked to genetics.

I can't answer for boxers specifically, but I have more knowledge with rough collies and cockers.

For example, in cocker spaniels there are 'work' and 'show' type, both of which look different. The show is more plush, stock and refined with a long gleaming coat and a calmer temperament.

The work lines are larger, shorter coated and much more energetic, with less refined muzzles and ears.

In rough collies, there are classic, tradition, european, russian, american lines (and many more) and each has a distinctive characteristic. My collie is more 'traditional', her coat is full but the more modern lines have immense coats and different expressions.

Go to a few shows, look at the boxers on show and note the ones you like. Look up the breeders, their pedigrees and eventually you may start to notice that the ones you like all link to a certain family tree.

It is important to ask to meet the breeder and the dogs to assess the temperament of their dogs, a beautiful dog is nothing without a temperament to match. Ask about health testing for problems known in boxers - good breeders will know this.

Then, you should have an idea of what you want.:)

[Borzoi mad]

Pippa I really sympathise with you . You can approach a breeder who although Docking is illegal in the UK may still be of the opinion that this should not have happened and though they have to abide by the law they feel that they still prefer their boxers docked It is only human nature that they will tell you abut tail injuries and how dangerous tails can be on the other hand you approach a breeder who is pleased docking had been banned and they will tell you another story. I can well understand that you are confused, but at the end of the day a boxer is a boxer with or without a tail and if this is your chosen breed I really think you are making too big an issue about the tail. The dog will still be great fun and great to live with and will give you the same joy whether it has a tail or doesn't.

This is just my take on it and I wish you good luck in finding the right puppy for you. I personally do not own a docked breed and I can see it from both sides and I have no strong feelings on docking or not docking . I thik it is the dog that metter much more than "tail or no tail"

[pippaboxer]

yes i have spoken too many breeders over the phone and they all tell me that boxers injure there tails, Aparentl they are thin and boney? and damage easily especially as boxers are energetic and go wappy at times,

I never thought about the lines, and i don't know where any dog shows are held near me, me and my partner have no intrest in dog shows we just want a nice pup which us healthy, and good temperament.

How do i find out about a dogs temperament before i buy one?

I know its all about asking the breeders questions but surely some of them will know what to say and im not saying they would lie but i am very naive because this is all very new to me.

What am i supposed to be looking for i a boxer pup?

Kc registered.. Should they have papers to prove?

100% pedigree - how do i know?

Micro chipped- whats this for ? how much does it cost?

vacinations- how many injections do they need to have?

Sorry but im a real newbie and i don't want to make any big mistakes.

Thanks for all your patients and imput so far .

[sheplovr]

I owned a Boxer, BOO, I cannot believe they would injure anything with a tail. Ain't so, common myth. If it is docked you have to keep the bugs off the rear, it has no protection when out also.

I think they look very regal with the ears and tail left alone. It is painful to do this to dogs and I would happily buy a Boxer and leave it alone. This is unecessary and fake to do those things to dogs. I am totally against it. Cruel.

[Melamaphine]

You find out a dogs temperament in the same way that I described, you don't have to be 'into' dog shows, it's just sensible to attend to view the boxers in comparison to eachother.

Over the phone tells you nothing, you can't tell if the breeder is truthful or lying about the temperament or health checking of their dogs.

If you want to know the likely temperament you MUST view the parents of the puppy - both of them if possible. You cannot assess a temperament over the phone.

KC Registered? Yes, they should have papers with KC certification.. Anyone can make a 'pedigree' but only KC ones count in most breeds as they are checked.

Vaccinations are usually two injections two weeks apart, micro-chipping can be done at any age and costs vary for both chips and vaccs.

Please don't rush into it, boxers suffer with all kinds of problems, their eyes and wrinkled squashed faces suffer. The more squashed the face, the more likely you will have trouble with breathing difficulties.

Also, a lot of boxers suffer with heart problems. Many do not live past 8 and you MUST get a full account of health testing to be on the safe side.

As i've said before, a breed show is the best place to find this out as all the people that know best will be in one place and are usually more than happy to discuss the dogs they devote their lives to.

[pippaboxer]

ok so if i go to a dog show, i see a boxer i like can i ask the owner about that dog?

What breed it is ect?

Im not going to rush into this, i need all the information i can get, im a total beginner so if there is anything i have missed please inform me.

How do i find local boxer shows near to me. (leicestershire)

[bunnyphone]

This website looks like a good place to start:

http://www.ukboxerdogs.co.uk/index.html

[Melamaphine]

http://www.ukboxerdogs.co.uk/showsjul.html

Try here, if not buy a copy of Our Dogs magazine which has listings in it.

Yes, if you see a dog at a show that you like, try and have a chat with its owner (but not when they're about to enter the ring!). I've been doing this with collie breeders and have learned a lot from comparing dogs at shows.

http://www.discover-dogs.org.uk/

If you can wait, then discover dogs is great and is designed to give people information on all the different breeds.


http://www.boxerbreedcouncil.co.uk/

Get in contact with the boxer breed council, they are the 'oracle' on all things boxer and the best way to find out about the breed is to ask them.
ON their page is a 'health' tab which tells about all the health problems to watch for in boxers, including Aortic Stenosis - the life limiting heart disease I referred to earlier.

Don't rush, do your research and you will get the perfect pet. The best breeders often have waiting lists for their puppies.

[skunkstripe]

Microchipping is where a small scannable chip is implanted so that in case the dog is lsot or stolen it is more likely to be returned. The chip has a number on it and shelters and animal control have scanners that can read the chip.

By the way I would not worry too much about rushing into things if you wish to get a healthy puppy. Most serious breeders will not sell you a pup on the spur of the moment anyway - it takes a while to have a litter. Serious breeders do not breed and hope to find buyers when the pups are there, they do it the other way around. They have people lined up who want pups from them and then have the litter.

If someone is anxious to sell you a puppy quickly I would take that as a sign that something is off. It may not alwasy be true, but someone who wants to "close the sale" without making sure you will give one of their pups a good home is probably not someone who is doing the necessary health tests.

[vinya12]

When I was thinking about getting an Elkhound, (witch I hope to pick up soon) I joined a yahoo group for Elkhounds. I told the group I wanted to Get one, and Asked if anyone could visit me so I can meet the dog. I met a lovely elkhound and talked to the owner about what he was like, as the owner was not a breeder, so they were honest about what it was like to live with one. I think you need to go to a local dog park and wait till you see a boxer and ask the owner what they are like to live with. the more you meet them the more you will get your own ideas what you want from yours. meet and speak to as many boxer owners as you can even ask to pet sit one if you can. don't buy a pup under £400 and buy lots of books on the breed .

[vinya12]

theses look like good dogs. and they show pups with tails too see the show page

http://www.pictland.fsbusiness.co.uk/

[pippaboxer]

ok don't panc im not going to rush out and buy one i want to research and do it properly.

what is the best way to tell if the dog has been health checked? Do i need to ask for proof as? Or do i just take someones word for it?

Also do i ask to meet the parents ?

I dont want to annoy any breeders by asking questiojns they may think im just messing them about. How much am i looking to pay for a boxer pup?

[Melamaphine]

First things first, a good breeder expects you to ask a million questions!! They won't get annoyed with you!!

I know a couple of breeders that turned people down because they didn't feel that they asked enough questions! Good breeders want to know all there is to know about who wants one of their pups and they expect you to want to know all the info - it shows you've done your research and you're not buying a puppy on a whim.

Yes, you MUST ask to meet the parents. Not meeting the parents is a sure sign that the puppies are coming from a puppy farm and you don't want to encourage their evil business. I've got a rescue dog that was bred in a puppy farm and she has all kinds of problems, its heartbreaking.

[vinya12]

you must always meet the parents. if you find a good breeder you can go and meet the dogs and if you like what you see you can put your name down for a pup from the next litter . ask the breeder if the parents are health cheeked also ask to speak to people who have had pups from them before.
I good breeder will be pleased if you ask a lot of questions as they want there pups to go to the best homes and they will welcome you to visit. if they don't, then they are not a good breeder. a good breeder is someone dedicated to the breed and wants to breed only the best. plus if you have your name down for a pup that has yet to be born, you can visit the pup every week till its 8 weeks. good breeders welcome theses visits as you can start to bond with your pup from day one . I would pay £500 to £800 for a good pup

[skunkstripe]

If it were me I would insist that test results for both parents for hip dysplasia and SAS (cardiac) be in the searchable OFA database as a minimum.
http://www.offa.org/search.html

Actually I would not insist on meeting both parents. There are many cases where a planned mating is done with a stud who is chosen for promise in producing a a quality litter and who is not likely to be owned by the same person as the one who owns the bitch.

[vinya12]

skunkstripe,is that only for U.S?

[Melamaphine]

There's a UK boxer heart list on the breed council pages, maybe our version?

[pippaboxer]

This sounds like a real hard thing to do. with all these questions and everything else. Im pretty sure that normal joe bloggs people just buy and hope for the best. Its a good job that i found this forum and started asking questions but im still very confused about where to start.

Its going to be hard to find a dog and a breeder that has everything on the checklist ticked.

I don't know how many breeders will test there pups and get them all registered as proof?

I need more information and step by step guidance and an order otherwise im going to make a mistake.

[Melamaphine]

I think you've been given step by step guidance! You can hope for the best, but the people that do that often end up not coping and this is why so many dogs are in shelters.

[skunkstripe]

If you are refering to the HD, OFA is based in the US but will take results for dogs from any country. It can get complicated if you start looking at the different systems for hip ratings.
Scroll down about 2/3.
http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0090.htm

The KC will add the results to a dog's pedigree
http://www.bva.co.uk/public/chs/hip_scheme.asp
but it doesn't appear to be possible to search it online. I am one of those people who would want to see it first - I simply would not take anyone's word for it. I've read too many horror stories from people who've been duped by breeders who were very good at projecting an aura of integrity and as soon as there were problems, didn't answer emails, return phone calls etc.

The Accredited Breeder Scheme looks like another good tip, but I am seeing this from across the Atlantic.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/474

[vinya12]

The first thing to do, is decide if you want a boy or girl and when you would like to have a pup

[pippaboxer]

keep it simple please my brains going round like a rollercoaster now!

[pippaboxer]

Boy

Within the Next 2-3 months

[vinya12]

now. have a look through this list of breeders. click on the names to view the websites and look for one that has dogs you like the the look of. take your time and enjoy looking at all the dogs

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/guided/all_boxer_breeders.html

[Melamaphine]

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/puppy/11557.html

this one is in leicestershire and has puppies now...give them a call and ask to see them and have a chat. Even if you don't want one of these, it's a great opportunity to see some locally and they look like nice examples.

[Monkey]

Pippa, to find the right genetic combo of parents you like will take time..

Im still searching for THE rottweiler (Have done the last 7 years) I have had a couple of prospects but something has interviened.

you have started in the right end, but there is a jungle out there...

Keep on reading, ask around and if they hesistate to answer they will be wrong and medical records IS A MUST. They dont have them dont go there...

Thats all I can say and I am glad that youa re doing proper prework, if more people did, there would be a lot less abandoned dogs..

[Borzoi mad]

Hi Pippa boxer

Mycousin has been in boxers for many years and has the occasional litter though nothing at the moment, but both her and her husband and well up in the breed and she would be only too please dto help you with finding a good breeder. If you are interested in going down this road please pm me with either your mail address and/ or telephone number and I will get her to contact you. She is so devoted to the breed and I know she would guide you in the right direction .

[vinya12]

quote( Mycousin has been in boxers for many years) sounds like he needs a change of underwear lol

[pippaboxer]

Ok so ask to see proof of medical records.

Obviously this is a big issue but why are people so fast to say get one from the rescue centre? Then you could have the same problems.

No i want my puppy to be proper and healthy and 100% pedigree.

Why do people abandon their dogs?

Also one question i would like to ask is how much would pet insurance cost? I know i just want a rough idea

Thanks

[Melamaphine]

Pet insurance varies by breed and related health issues. You also get what you pay for in pet insurance. I pay £22 a month to insure my collie with PetPlan, this is more than other insurers but I did my research and should I need to use it, it pays out more and will cover her for life and through any illness.

Why do people abandon their dogs?

Well, here on the forum we can't answer that as we all love our dogs too much. But, millions of dogs are abandoned each year because people are flippant with their decisions and don't think about the needy creature that will change your life for 12-15 years. Dogs poop, wee, can misbehave and puppies don't seem so cute when they eat your house and clothes!

Some people get sick of this and just get rid, like they would with any other material item. Others like us on DF view these downsides as a minor inconvenience which is massively outweighed by the new member of the family who we love to bits.

Rescue centres (and good breeders) will take a dog back and find it a new good home if you can't keep the dog anymore, which is why it is good to get a dog from them.

[Borzoi mad]

quote( Mycousin has been in boxers for many years) sounds like he needs a change of underwear lol


he is a she LOL

[vinya12]

I think Pet insurance is about £9 a month. people always tell new dog owners to go get a rescue dog as they need homes and sometimes a grown dog is better than a pup for a first time dog owner.
people abandon dogs for many reasons. mostly as they have rushed in to getting a dog and end up with a breed they cant cope with. if you get your pup from a good breeder then they will take the pup back if you find you cant cope. I used to breed German shepherds and took back any pup no matter how old they were.
also pups can go through a teen stage around 7 to 14 months when they can be a real pain and make you wish you dident have them. i lot of dogs get abandon a dog around this age. but if you love your dog you will hold your breath and wait till the teens are over as you will have a life long friend after it. just like kids lol

[Borzoi mad]

Ok so ask to see proof of medical records.

Obviously this is a big issue but why are people so fast to say get one from the rescue centre? Then you could have the same problems.

No i want my puppy to be proper and healthy and 100% pedigree.
Why do people abandon their dogs?

Also one question i would like to ask is how much would pet insurance cost? I know i just want a rough idea

Thanks

pippa as I said my cousin could answer all your questions as she knows her boxers . People who are not in the breed can only try to point you in the right direction which is why I suggested it would be a good idea to speak to her but it is up to you, the ball is in your court.:cheers:

[pippaboxer]

Great advice thanks

[skunkstripe]

Ok so ask to see proof of medical records.

Obviously this is a big issue but why are people so fast to say get one from the rescue centre? Then you could have the same problems.

No i want my puppy to be proper and healthy and 100% pedigree.


In that case you should probably skip the rescues. There are those who want a puppy who is a "clean slate" and whose parentage is known. Then there are those who don't mind "rolling the dice." Of course rescue pups can come with health problems, for example my Golden Retriever had cancer at an early age. However, the adoption fee I paid did not go to lining the pocket of whoever bred her.

What happens all too often is that someone who is looking for a pup gets taken in, falls for the cute puppies, doesn't want to "offend" the breeder by asking hard questions, pays a lot of money and then discovers problems that could have been avoided.

[pippaboxer]

Yes i will speak to anyone who has knowledge in this breed of course.

And yes that is the main reason that i don't want to visit any puppies yet, as they are easy to fall in love with and you are quite right about asking the questions, but its the answers that you recieve which could be harder to ask another question on top of that. For instance if a breeder tells you that the dogs are heart scored but doesn't provide proof you then have to feel awkward about asking for that proof and this can make some buyers feel uneasy and they won't ask and just take someones word for it, then you want to beleive them abyway because you have fell in love with the puppies.

Its harder than i first thought!

[Borzoi mad]

Yes i will speak to anyone who has knowledge in this breed of course.

And yes that is the main reason that i don't want to visit any puppies yet, as they are easy to fall in love with and you are quite right about asking the questions, but its the answers that you recieve which could be harder to ask another question on top of that. For instance if a breeder tells you that the dogs are heart scored but doesn't provide proof you then have to feel awkward about asking for that proof and this can make some buyers feel uneasy and they won't ask and just take someones word for it, then you want to beleive them abyway because you have fell in love with the puppies.

Its harder than i first thought!

Can you pm me? I would pm you but I don't think you have been a memeber long enough to have rhis option.:cheers:

[vinya12]

I know how you feel, I am not good at talking to people am very shy. I was a bit sneaky and made friends of the owner of the granddad of my pup to be. And it was her that I got most of my in-fo from . By messaging her on -line. I also looked at the pedigree of the mum and dad of my pup to see where they came from and if they had all been bred by dedicated breeders. I no all my pups family now including her grate granddad who was imported to help make the breed line stronger she's a top pup and I am off to get her this weekend , 9 hour drive there and back and 6 years of research in to the breed and am finally here :)

[pippaboxer]

Just found out some good news.

Someone has informed me about bob-tail boxers.

There is a breed out there that has been bred without a tail.

Does anyone know any information about these boxers as this would make the perfect compromise.

[lassie]

is this what you are after;)

http://www.steynmere.com/GENETICS.html#articles

[Monkey]

that sounds fishy to me..


http://www.boxberry.net/page4.asp

PEMBROKE mixes? Barely 15 years ago, is that a breed in that case or countes as a mix?

Id be carefull if I were you..

[vinya12]

I hear they have been bred by putting corgi in the breed. I think its great to breed what you want in to a dog rather that cut bits off. i will look it to it for you

[vinya12]

that sounds fishy to me..


http://www.boxberry.net/page4.asp

PEMBROKE mixes? Barely 15 years ago, is that a breed in that case or countes as a mix?

Id be carefull if I were you..

all breeds of dog were created by crossing other breeds at some point so it's nothing new . and its so much better to breed what you want in a dog as that's what dog breeding is all about.
If I ever had the money and space I would try breeding stand up ears on a Doberman as I love the look but not the way they do it.

[pippaboxer]

This is great news!! Im really excited i can't wait now!!

[vinya12]

Yes get a bobtail. It would be great to fallow this breed of boxer. I think they look really nice. and I hope they become popular

[pippaboxer]

yes!!! Thanks Everyone!!!

[Monkey]

only issue is that he wants a dog with PAPERS so he knows the medical BACKGROUND. When outbreeding two different breeds you do not no longer have a homogenetic background where it will be somewhat predictable. I also doubt that they have already closed the books and allow that boxer sort breed with the old kind of boxer (I do not know for sure however). If he didnt fear to take on a new sort then I wouldn't say so much. A girl I used to talk to have been in on helping with Winden Silkhounds to get them approved by the FCI so I dont mind new breeds created BUT it takes MANY generations to create a homogentic background. However, he has already stated he wanted papers and medical background etc with this it will be harder straight off, there will probably be a handfull that have done this corrrectly but you will also have a bunch of people who is trying to earn money on it and THAT will be hard to differ...

IF they are not approved by the FCI UKC etc you will not be able to show, compete and so on if that would interest you later on (which Im not sure if you want to know or not).

[vinya12]

here's a link that mite help
http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/25502.html
bobtails show at crufts

[pippaboxer]

Im not interested in showing.

The bob-tail breeder who i spoke with told me it took them 15 years to get the breed right.

Does anyone have any information on prices ?

[Monkey]

interesting, he must have put down a lot of intensive time to create all that in ten years. Either he is a real pro or a big con and I dont know which cause I dont know enough about boxers. I tried to call the FCI but they are closed for now and yes I am sceptical til I know for sure. It does look legit I can fess up to that, but due to the youngness of all I have issues to belive in a homogentetic background. And I want the poster to think twice so he and she truly gets what they want and feel comfortable with it.

[skunkstripe]

Here is a link to the site of the person breeding bobtails.
http://www.steynmere.com/BOBTAILS.html

and this link describes the process of breeding the bobtails
http://www.steynmere.com/GENETICS.html

I sincerely doubt that you are going to find anything on prices online. Reputable breeders generally do not advertise prices.

[Monkey]

Im not interested in showing.

The bob-tail breeder who i spoke with told me it took them 15 years to get the breed right.

Does anyone have any information on prices ?

Umm I dont think anyone knows here, I think if you want to know more about bob tailed boxer the breeder you just spoke to is probably the way to go with those questions..

[vinya12]

You do need to make shore that it is a bob tail you get and not a breeder who has docked and is passing them off as bobtail
I would go to this man for your pup as from what I read he knows what he's doing
http://www.steynmere.com/

[pippaboxer]

Yes i have emailed him already steynmere looks like the best place to buy one.

The breeder that i spoke with said he did not have any prices until they are born. He would not even give me a rough estimate.

The woman who gave me his number told me they are about £1200

If anyone has any info on prices please let me know.

I think i will just have to be extra patient and wait!

[vinya12]

yes, its great to wait and save up as much money as you can, I have enjoyed saving up all my spare cash for my pup, I also have enjoyed buying all the things a puppy needs .

[lassie]

glad you found the article i posted of interest PB he certainly knows his boxers

[MegBonnie]

Hi,

a breeder told me that the boxer dogs have the tails docked because they cause can damage their tails by whipping them against things, and then need them amputating anyway, so this is the main reason. How true that is i don't know?

I am not getting a boxer because i think they look good without a tail, my dad has one and they are so friendly, playful and silly little dogs, they are such a joy to be around.

My dads boxer is daft as a brush and does some really funny things.

Why are so many people against getting the tails docked? Please explain, is this bad for the dog?

I'm glad to hear you know what Boxers are like as adult dogs, some people can find them overly bouncy sometimes! As for hitting their tail, I don't really rate that as a risk and to do it so badly that the tail needs amputating must be pretty few and far between... please correct me if I'm wrong though guys? Just personally I've never heard of a dog having to have a tail amputated just through 'hitting' it.

Personally I am against tail docking purely because I can't see the need for inflicting the pain on the dog when it is a totally normal piece of doggy anatomy! All dogs tails are beautiful IMO and they use them to communicate - they're so expressive :) - and they also use them to balance, especially when they're running.

Good luck finding your new puppy.

[vinya12]

I'm glad to hear you know what Boxers are like as adult dogs, some people can find them overly bouncy sometimes! As for hitting their tail, I don't really rate that as a risk and to do it so badly that the tail needs amputating must be pretty few and far between... please correct me if I'm wrong though guys? Just personally I've never heard of a dog having to have a tail amputated just through 'hitting' it.

Personally I am against tail docking purely because I can't see the need for inflicting the pain on the dog when it is a totally normal piece of doggy anatomy! All dogs tails are beautiful IMO and they use them to communicate - they're so expressive :) - and they also use them to balance, especially when they're running.

Good luck finding your new puppy.

its ok he's looking in to the bob tail a new type of boxer bred with short tails, so no docking needed

[pippaboxer]

Will the bob-tail boxer have any problems communicating with its tail? Just got me thinking thats all.

[vinya12]

yes it will, any dog without a tail will have problems communicating

[pippaboxer]

maybe this is why boxers bounce around so much i know my dads boxer wiggles from side to side when he is happy, maybe because he can't wag his tail?

[applesmom]

The ability to wag their talis isn't taken away when tails are docked Short tailed dogs can and do wag their tails just as much as any other dog does. They tails aren't cut off at the base, they're just shorter.

[Borzoi mad]

The ability to wag their talis isn't taken away when tails are docked Short tailed dogs can and do wag their tails just as much as any other dog does. They tails aren't cut off at the base, they're just shorter.


I agree 100 percent those little stumps sure can move :):):)

[boxerpups]

£1200 for a pet quality Boxer, be it a Bobtail or natural.... is taking the Micheal.

The average price of a Boxer in the UK, today is around £800 give or take...some of the big show kennels will charge up to "£1000 for a show prospect .

Most breeders charge a set price... be it show /pet quality...and whites will go for around half the price of the coloured.

If you are paying inflated prices for a Bobtail, then you have been done.

A bobtail Boxer is a Boxer, if you research BC site you will see he has produced a champion or two Bobtails.... they are classed as 100% Boxer.

Although many in the breed would not touch on with a barge pole, he does have a big following, the man is a genesis... he know his stuff, and has worked extremely hard to achieve what we see today....

Although you can tell a BOBTAIL from a docked tail, they are slightly different, before the ban, those tails that did not meet the right length standard where docked, now the ban is here, we will see a variety in length of tails...(or we should)

The most important thing anyone should be asking when buying a Boxer is the heart score of the pups parents.... it is extremely important you only buy from heart tests dogs.....

[zoeybeau1]

If there is no corgi blood left in the bob tail can someone please tell me, why the bobtail comes up and does the odd long nose come out? or other traits as I dont know much about them, and have only heard about them but not personally had nothing to do with them.

Thanks in advance as I'm not here often to post but will read on here.xx