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pippaboxer
06-27-2008, 12:39 PM
What are your views on the bobtail boxer dogs?
Me and my Girlfriend are considering getting a bobtail boxer as opposed to one with a tail.
There is a breeder close to us that is expecting a litter very soon.
As docking has now been banned the only other alternative is to travel over to Ireland to get a legally docked one.
My main concerns about the bobtail boxers are that they have been bred with a corgi so will they still be 100% boxer?
Here are my concerns:
Is the temperament still the same as a boxer?
Are they still 100% boxer in looks or does this vary with different litters?
Will the bobtail look like the originally docked tail or different?
skunkstripe
06-27-2008, 12:41 PM
This is an extremely specialized question so I would think the best source of information would be the breeder that you are in touch with - at least I was under the impression you had contacted him. :) Have you discussed this with the breeder?
bunnyphone
06-27-2008, 12:45 PM
Or you could just get a well bred boxer with a tail and not have any of these concerns.
Borzoi mad
06-27-2008, 01:00 PM
As Skunkstripe says this is such a specialised breed that the breeder is the best person to answer your questions. I know that BrucerCattenagh has been breeding them for several years, but a boxer owner who has been in the breed a long time or he himself are the one's to approach.
I am of the opinion that you would be better going for an ordinary boxer with a tail. , but I am not in this breed and it would only be my opinion .I did say in your last post that a good person to speak to about the breed is my cousin who has years of experience in boxers but you did not take me up on this. I do not really think that people on here who do not have boxer expertence are the best to ask as they can only give you a general answer.
I've never heard of one of these dogs but I should imagine there would be a difference as there is another breed in their, but why won't you get a boxer with a tail they still look gorgeous, also there is no reason why your boxer will not need a tail, I agree with working dogs that might have their tails bitten or damaged in their line of work but not for cosmetic reasons. is it really that important to have a dog with out a tail?
mermaid2708
06-27-2008, 01:32 PM
had never heard of a bobtail boxer even though i used to have a lovely white boxer bitch...so googled and found www.steynmere.com (http://www.steynmere.com) which seems to be an informative site...but i must admit i still prefer dogs with natural tails.
OMG that site doesn't show any difference in looks between a normal boxer and a bobtail boxer, that is quite amazing really, I wonder how hard they tried to get the dogs to look like that. But I still think that a dog looks better with its tail on, you can see more wagging tails, but I have seen Boxers wag their whole body when their happy bless them.
Borzoi mad
06-27-2008, 01:52 PM
had never heard of a bobtail boxer even though i used to have a lovely white boxer bitch...so googled and found www.steynmere.com (http://www.steynmere.com) which seems to be an informative site...but i must admit i still prefer dogs with natural tails.
That is Bruce Cattenagh's site. The breeder I told Pippaboxer to speak to.
Jake2006
06-27-2008, 01:52 PM
Hang on everyone - tail docking is illegal in Ireland - or am I living in an alternative reality?
Ireland: Banned as of January 2008
pippaboxer
06-27-2008, 02:43 PM
No Tail Docking is Legal in Some Parts of Ireland
skunkstripe
06-27-2008, 02:45 PM
These are dogs bred to have a short tail. No docking involved.
pippaboxer
06-27-2008, 02:46 PM
I definately want a boxer without a tail.
The breeder i spoke with says that the there is no difference between the bobtail boxer and the normal boxer and that the boxer only has 1% corgi blood.
Im not so sure and just want this verifying.
Was also told about the tails looking the same as if they had been docked. But read up on the net that they look like pads of fat?
Dunno really can't always take someomes advive if they want to earn money out of you then they will lie through there teeth!!
applesmom
06-27-2008, 02:50 PM
If you're truly interested in owning a bob tailed boxer, the answer to all of your questions should be right there on Bruce Catternaughs site.
He's written and posted right there on his website a series of articles on his efforts to produce the bobtail boxers.
http://www.steynmere.com/ARTICLES1.html
He's the one to go to for information. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any further questions after you've read his articles.
ETA He's at the point now where the KC accepts registration on these dogs. After 5 generations (or more) the Corgi influence will be minimal. To satisfy your doubts you might want to look up information on coeffiecency in breeding.
skunkstripe
06-27-2008, 02:52 PM
If you're truly interested in owning a bob tailed boxer, the answer to all of your questions should be right there on Bruce Catternaughs site.
He's written and posted right there on his website a series of articles on his efforts to produce the bobtail boxers.
http://www.steynmere.com/ARTICLES1.html
He's the one to go to for information. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any further questions after you've read his articles.
:yeah:
pippaboxer
06-27-2008, 02:57 PM
I have read that before.
I have googled it and read lots of for and against thats why i came on here for your opinions.
Some breeders are biased.
Maybe i should contact Dr Bruce whatever is name is Catermarang.
applesmom
06-27-2008, 03:06 PM
I have read that before.
I have googled it and read lots of for and against thats why i came on here for your opinions.
Some breeders are biased.
Maybe i should contact Dr Bruce whatever is name is Catermarang.
If you are determined to own a bob tailed Boxer, that's exactly what you should do!:)
Borzoi mad
06-27-2008, 03:08 PM
I definately want a boxer without a tail.
The breeder i spoke with says that the there is no difference between the bobtail boxer and the normal boxer and that the boxer only has 1% corgi blood.
Im not so sure and just want this verifying.
Was also told about the tails looking the same as if they had been docked. But read up on the net that they look like pads of fat?
Dunno really can't always take someomes advive if they want to earn money out of you then they will lie through there teeth!!
HI I Have just spoken to my cousin and like me she suggests you contact Buce Cattenach as he was the breeder who first bred the bob tails and put any questions you may have to him. He will she says be pleased to help you.
I also asked her about the 1% corgi and she says that is the truth.
Hope this helps.
Kaisersmom
06-27-2008, 03:22 PM
As you said the breeder is rather close to you why not ask if you can go and see what one looks like in person. While you are there you could ask questions
Alfie&Seren
06-27-2008, 03:29 PM
i'm just curious, why is it so important you have one without a tail?
Jake2006
06-27-2008, 03:29 PM
No Tail Docking is Legal in Some Parts of Ireland
Since January 2008 Tail Docking in Ireland - all of Ireland, the Mountains of Mourne, the horseshoe white bay in Cork, Down, Dublin - the whole entire Island of Ireland TAIL DOCKING IS ILLEGAL!
If you bring a docked puppy back to england, you vet will have to report you and you will probably suffer a fine! Why won't you accept the Law, are you so arrogant!
pippaboxer
06-27-2008, 04:14 PM
You are wrong it is not illegal
Get your fact right.
Spicy_VV
06-27-2008, 04:25 PM
OMG that site doesn't show any difference in looks between a normal boxer and a bobtail boxer, that is quite amazing really, I wonder how hard they tried to get the dogs to look like that. But I still think that a dog looks better with its tail on, you can see more wagging tails, but I have seen Boxers wag their whole body when their happy bless them.
The phenotype is controlled by genetics. When you selectively breed for one specific trait and cull away the traits that you don't from one breed and breed for what you want in the other breed that is what you end up with. The Corgi has been bred out except for one trait that they wanted to isolate. Therefore the dogs will look like Boxer.
Alfie&Seren
06-27-2008, 04:49 PM
but why do you want a dog without a tail??
And would you get an ordinary boxer if the tail could be docked?
I just don't understand why the tail is such an issue for you.
Docking is illegal in some parts of the world, I cannot tell you where but I can tell you it is illegal in some parts for a reason-theres no need for it and it's cruel. So if you would get a Boxer with a docked tail, tell me, why would that dog want you??
Its amazing but I still think that boxers look nice with a tail, there is a boxer with a tail that comes to work with regularly and he is so lovely, a bit of topic but a old english sheepdog came into work with a tail and I was amazed, I thought they was born without a tail but I was proved wrong.Oh well I never said I was perfect.
skunkstripe
06-27-2008, 05:33 PM
This topic has been discussed ad nauseum and it is clear that there are NO experts here on the topic of "Bobtail Boxers."
The same advice, namely to speak with a breeder, has been given over and over.
This thread has outlived its usefulness and is now closed.
Thank you all for your contributions.