Stray Grey?

[vagreys]

This is Damiri. We think she is a Greyhound pup, around 12 months or a little younger. She was picked up as a stray by animal control. No tags, no tatoos, no microchip, and intact. We have no idea how she got here. No one has reported her lost since she was picked up, nearly two weeks ago. She showed up in the shelter where my wife and kids volunteer and we got her out of the shelter to foster, but I think we're going to keep her.
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[vagreys]

more pics. I've included some of Damiri with our red brindle girl, Lily, for scale. Lily is on the small side at 28" and 65 lbs. We estimate Damiri at around 45 lbs.
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[vagreys]

I promise, these are the last pics. I've posted so many because I'm hoping that others will either agree or disagree that she is a Greyhound pup. I think she is, but I've only worked with adults and we have no way of determining where she came from or how she got here. Is she from an NGA racing litter without tats? Is she from an AKC litter? Is she a cross that just looks a lot like a Grey? She has the conformation of a young Grey and roaches like a Grey.
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[Borzoi mad]

She looks like a grey pup to me she is gorgeous do hope you keep her and I wish her a long and happy life.

[lassie]

not sure , has the build of a greyhound maybe a tad smaller.

[vagreys]

The muzzle, being shorter and boxier than an adult Grey's, and the eyes, not appearing as large in proportion to the face as an adult Grey's, suggests lab to me. But this is also true of Greyhound pups that still have growing to do. I've only worked with adults, so I'm in a quandry. We'll keep her, regardless.

[k8tymem8ty]

omg it's another boris my dog boris is exsactly the same i will get some pics and put them on he is the spitting image of him. i would say defo lab x grey thats what my boy is and omg they are like twins. from katey

[skunkstripe]

I am not an expert on Greys. but I have looked at a ton of pictures of mixed breed dogs.

To me something is 'not right' with the head and muzzle. The head seems small and the nose too blunt. Also the waist is not as narrow.

Did you estimate age from the teeth, or how did you arrive at 12 months?

[mysterydog1]

AWWW! I want a greyhound! Well, i already have a dog. she sure lucked out, having you guys foster her. Being experienced with greys. I rescues a greyhound puppy once. He was in the craiglist and i called in about him first. Mom said we couldn't keep him so we passed him onto a grey rescue. they actually screen the adoptive homes; not first come first serve. =(

[AnimalHouse]

Hmm I would Agree that she prolly has some lab in it.

[golden&hovawart]

whippet with lab.
Is she heavier than a greyhoud and her nose is shorter.She is pretty.
Does she likes to retrieve?

[vagreys]

I am not an expert on Greys. but I have looked at a ton of pictures of mixed breed dogs.

To me something is 'not right' with the head and muzzle. The head seems small and the nose too blunt. Also the waist is not as narrow.

Did you estimate age from the teeth, or how did you arrive at 12 months?
I'm very familiar with adult Greys (2 yrs and up), but this is the first time I've dealt with what might be a Grey puppy. I've only seen pups in pictures, and none at this point in development. The 12-mo. estimate came from the shelter kennel. She goes to a greyhound vet, next week, so I should get a more definitive and clinical estimate of her age. I had someone familiar with greyhound pups look at her, yesterday evening, and based on her teeth, he thinks she could be as young as 6-8 months, and that the 12-mo. estimate was by someone unfamiliar with Greys and how large they actually are.
whippet with lab.
Is she heavier than a greyhoud and her nose is shorter.She is pretty.
Does she likes to retrieve?
We have no active Greyhound kennels in Virginia, but we do have some Whippet kennels. The thought has occurred to me. Right now, as with any other pup, she loves to chew (and to kill stuffies). We have an agreement: she keeps trying to eat the coffee table, and I keep substituting nylabones and rawhide.

[skunkstripe]

If she is really 6-8 mos and weighs 45 lbs, her adult weight should be around 55 lbs. Not out of line for a female grey, but on the small side.

I am aware that Greys can have all possible colors and patterns, but usually the "tuxedo" look is a giveaway that the dog is a mixed breed.

So if you had someone look at her who has seen a lot of Greyhound puppies, what did that person have to say? I am curious...

[vagreys]

...I am aware that Greys can have all possible colors and patterns, but usually the "tuxedo" look is a giveaway that the dog is a mixed breed...So if you had someone look at her who has seen a lot of Greyhound puppies, what did that person have to say? I am curious...
Among Greys, the black tuxedo, specifically the chest blaze, spats (white toes) and tip of the tail, is a classic color variation. So, in this case, it doesn't work as an indicator of breeding, either way. My friend picked up on the short, boxy muzzle and face, as you and I did, but he told me that she could gain another 20-30 lbs, her muzzle and face could stretch into the classic needlenose, her forelimbs could extend, and her chest could deepen. I'm trying to find pics of Grey pups in this age range, now. I still think the muzzle and eyes are wrong.

[LesterJ]

My husband suggests a Pincher mix. He notes that the hip structures are "totally different" between the greyhound and the pup. (I have a harder time seeing that, but he has much more conformation experience than I have). I was thinking the squareness in the head was lab. She's a pretty girl. :)

[skunkstripe]

What does not make sense is that a PB Grey puppy would be dumped. I know, people can be jerks, and if you are anywhere near where my husband used to live in VA then you probably have a steady stream of all kinds of dogs being dumped. For that reason alone I would think she would be a mix. Was she picked up in a location that suggests that she was dumped?

[vagreys]

My husband suggests a Pincher mix. He notes that the hip structures are "totally different" between the greyhound and the pup. (I have a harder time seeing that, but he has much more conformation experience than I have). I was thinking the squareness in the head was lab. She's a pretty girl. :)
This is fascinating. I'm going to enjoy unraveling this mystery over time! I've been looking at photos of greyhound pups at different ages on-line. I'm seeing some face/muzzle/foreleg combinations that look very similar, and the juvenile back/hips/body are very different from the adult. I still don't know what to think. The opinions and speculation are very interesting, though. We will have to keep a history of pictures as she grows so we can see how she evolves.
What does not make sense is that a PB Grey puppy would be dumped. I know, people can be jerks, and if you are anywhere near where my husband used to live in VA then you probably have a steady stream of all kinds of dogs being dumped. For that reason alone I would think she would be a mix. Was she picked up in a location that suggests that she was dumped?
She was picked up by animal control as a stray in an upper income neighborhood. No ID of any kind. No collar. But, she also had no parasite burden. She hadn't been on her own for long. Her coat and skin are in great shape. She was not underweight. If the people who had her kept her in a standard buckle collar, she could easily slip that and be free, and if she found something to chase, she could be a long way from home. She could be dumped, but not necessarily.

[AnimalHouse]

Hmm Now that you say Pincher.. I see that too! But I see alot of the Grey as well... But something, isnt ... right.. to be a PB Grey.. Maybe she has Dobie too.. :-/ hmm Who knows.

[vagreys]

OK, so here's the word. Based on her teeth and the fact that she was almost, but not quite ready for her first heat, the vet places her at 8-9 months old, now. That means the estimate of 6-8 months when we got her out of the shelter on 9/22 was not far off. Her chemistries place her squarely in the Greyhound numbers.

[brunosmom]

Congratulations...we have a Greyhound!!!!!

[Kaos]

Whatever her breeding, she is one gorgeous elegant looking dog.

[milenia]

hello newbie here.

what a gorgeous girl :) i'd say she is a young Greyhound or just on the small side as they do come all sorts of sizes, she maybe a smooth haired lurcher but whatever she is cute, my Jack is a big Black Greyhound just like Damini (sp?) Jack pure breed and used to race, he has very similar facial features like the shorter nose etc.

i do hope you keep her as she is lovely.

Jack is my second Greyhound i got him from the local dogs home in September, my first Greyhound Mollie who i rehomed from GRWE (Greyhound Rescue West of England) back in 2000 sadly had to be put to sleep last Feb :( but she was 13. i just love the breed and i doubt i will have another breed now.

bye

[vagreys]

Thanks, Nikki. In the months since I originally posted, Damiri's forelegs have lengthened, her chest has deepened a little, her muzzle has lengthened and narrowed, her thighs have developed, and we are letting her run every day at the dog park. She is very fast and has the Greyhound double gait. She likes to give other dogs a head start, pass them and then wait for them to arrive at the other end of the field. We think she is all Grey, or an almost all Grey lurcher. We are definitely keeping her, and I will post more pics, once I get the camera working again...

Jack's a handsome boy. Thank you adopting retired racers.

[milenia]

i don't think i would have another breed of Dog now after 2 hounds, i love them and they have such a plight being working dogs, it makes me sick that they are just used for money and it really upsets me at times and i am reduced to tears i just can't help it.

Mollie was a very special girl not only as she was my first hound but she taught me alot about the breed etc and she is very badly missed, Jack is younger and very different in nature but that is only half true i mean he is a true hound big gentle giant but he is alot bouncier and bostroius (sp??) not to mention taller and he has his own character.

i would love to be a fosterer or maybe have the dogs that already have homes to go to but just need a few days in a home environment to start to adjust, i have even thought about hound number 2 as i have always wanted a pair but that all depends on funds and how Jack would take to another so watch this space hehe.

bye

Thanks, Nikki. In the months since I originally posted, Damiri's forelegs have lengthened, her chest has deepened a little, her muzzle has lengthened and narrowed, her thighs have developed, and we are letting her run every day at the dog park. She is very fast and has the Greyhound double gait. She likes to give other dogs a head start, pass them and then wait for them to arrive at the other end of the field. We think she is all Grey, or an almost all Grey lurcher. We are definitely keeping her, and I will post more pics, once I get the camera working again...

Jack's a handsome boy. Thank you adopting retired racers.

[Doberroo]

Whatever her breeding, she is gorgeous. Good thing you live far away from me. I would be to tempted to take her. I love her white tips.