Copy and pasting

[Greyhound]

2) No copying and pasting from sites that have copyrighted material.
Just out of interest, are we allowed to do so as long as we do not copy extensive amounts (just a paragraph or two) and we state the source (bibliography style)?

[Jake2006]

There is nothing wrong if you use academic referencing - e.g. harvard bibliography or whatever and of course acknowledge your research.

Anything on the internet is copyrighted so you need to be careful but if you are using material for an argument sure post it - shows you've done your research properly and not just posted anecdotal evidence which is just an opinion.

Even if a vet says something - its just his opinion.

Even if a vet posts on the internet - its an opinion - it has to be posted in an academic journal or publication - yes Skunk?

(p.s. remember you can know you are right without having to PROVE the other person wrong)

[Doberman's]

Copy and pasting can be done like this:


www.icopiedthis.com

This is copy and pasted. Use one paragraph for reference.

[Doberman's]

Even if a vet says something - its just his opinion.

Even if a vet posts on the internet - its an opinion - it has to be posted in an academic journal or publication - yes Skunk?



I am not so sure I agree with this statement, if everything a Vet says is opinion based why did they spend so much time learning Vet medicine ?


Anyway, please use the copy and pasting guidline I just posted. We will be posting a more detailed policy very soon for your reference.

[Greyhound]

any how welcome and heres to some friendly debates and post.:drunken:
Yay! :D

There is nothing wrong if you use academic referencing - e.g. harvard bibliography or whatever and of course acknowledge your research.
Okay. Thanks :)

Anything on the internet is copyrighted
I know - so if I post 'seventeen jumping pyjamas in magazine-quoted pheasants are thrice warrented on footpaths', it's copyrighted already. I love that :D

Sorry :p

(p.s. remember you can know you are right without having to PROVE the other person wrong)
Yep :) True. Very true :D

[Greyhound]

I am not so sure I agree with this statement, if everything a Vet says is opinion based why did they spend so much time learning Vet medicine ?
So they can have educted opionions and make educated staements.

[Jake2006]

Dobermans

It is an opinon because it has not been researched - that is why we have second opinions.

Vets have limited experience on some matters - they are like general practitioners.

[skunkstripe]

Just out of interest, are we allowed to do so as long as we do not copy extensive amounts (just a paragraph or two) and we state the source (bibliography style)?

Perfect. It is a no-no to copy and paste entire articles, and not stating the source is also incorrect. The safest and fairest way to go is to post an excerpt so you have gotten whatever point across that you want, and name the site so that if someone is interested they can find out more.

There is nothing wrong if you use academic referencing - e.g. harvard bibliography or whatever and of course acknowledge your research.

Anything on the internet is copyrighted so you need to be careful but if you are using material for an argument sure post it - shows you've done your research properly and not just posted anecdotal evidence which is just an opinion.

Even if a vet says something - its just his opinion.

Even if a vet posts on the internet - its an opinion - it has to be posted in an academic journal or publication - yes Skunk?


Our is not a site for academic exchange, but for information (yes, and opinion) exchange, so the conventions that apply to citing academic work are not strictly applicable. If you have permission to copy and paste, you can do it and say so. I am not sure it is ok to post text out of academic journals. At least the ones in MY field demand a pretty penny to see the articles as oppsed to the abstracts, so pasting the articles circumvents their paying subscriber policy in a way which I think they would not be happy about.

And there is nothing wrong with posting an opinion, even if it is not your own, as in "Joe Blow, noted dog trainer, has stated that much of a dog's personality is genetically programmed" (-from source).

There is a grey area called "fair use" which pretty much means that if it is obvious you are not trying to steal someone's work but merely spread information around and are doing so concientously, no one can seriously object.
If you want to read more on the subject there are some good guiding principles here:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
Anyway, an effort to comply with the TOS is greatly appreciated! And happy posting!

[Jake2006]

So are you saying that excerpts for publications to which I am subscribed - and may be used freely for education (isn't this site educational too - opinions are educational) then I am not allowed to post it?

So Joe Bloggs comes on here and gets an opinion and self-medicates because a member said so - and someone comes along with an article from a journal pointing out that said medication is dangerous we can't post!

So what is this forum about - exchanging ideas, helping others?

Keeping this thread on topic maybe someone will start another topic - I've access to this stuff I don't learn anything - just trying to help others.

[Doberman's]

So are you saying that excerpts for publications to which I am subscribed - and may be used freely for education (isn't this site educational too - opinions are educational) then I am not allowed to post it?

So Joe Bloggs comes on here and gets an opinion and self-medicates because a member said so - and someone comes along with an article from a journal pointing out that said medication is dangerous we can't post!




We must follow the copyright laws, it is all very confusing the way the laws are written. The way Skunk and I described the copy and pasting rules makes sure we are protected and we still have access to wonderful information at the same time. It's not open for debate we must follow the law.

[Jake2006]

OK then the law entitles me to cut and paste any material to which I am subscribed and I'm happy to post it for people who ask for such information, especially those in the field of academia.

Of course, it precludes those posting who are not subscribed to Journals and who are not in the field of academia.

thankyou

[skunkstripe]

So are you saying that excerpts for publications to which I am subscribed - and may be used freely for education (isn't this site educational too - opinions are educational) then I am not allowed to post it?

So Joe Bloggs comes on here and gets an opinion and self-medicates because a member said so - and someone comes along with an article from a journal pointing out that said medication is dangerous we can't post!

So what is this forum about - exchanging ideas, helping others?

Keeping this thread on topic maybe someone will start another topic - I've access to this stuff I don't learn anything - just trying to help others.

No the site is not educational in a strict sense. If it were we would have an "edu" domain and not "org" (as per US custom). We do not grant degrees, certificates, etc. It is for information, entertainment etc. Sorry Carole, the fact that you are a paid subscriber does not give you unlimited copying and pasting rights. Copyright is copyright. You can re-word it, maybe copy the key sentence or two plus the source, that would fall under "fair use".

And yes it is the fact that everyone who posts this kind of thing is only trying to help that makes it so frustrating. :rolleyes:

[Doberman's]

Please follow forum guidlines as posted in this thread already or posts will have to be edited. I am splitting this off to it's own trhead.

[borzoimom]

I know that this topic was started to explain the 'sudden explosion' of new members, however its obvious it also went to help explain the rules. In reading this morning the posts, I am now even more relieved to be here. The rules, as set here, would have prevented what happened. And we will all be happier here.
I had a ball yesterday. Up to a 100 posts, had to shut the computer off to stop.. lol. My husband was concerned I joined a new forum- now he is relieved as well. Being mostly all dogs- there are so many more topics.
I would do anything to help someone. Even if it means giving another option not approached yet. We all learn things from a combination of different experiences, breed type etc. And my responses I got from people the last from days, and pms from here, was so encouraging, I hate to admit, I thought about this place all evening.
AND- lol- we even have another Borzoi person here.. WHOOPEE- !! :cheers:

[Doberman's]

I am sorry but this is not open for debate.


A copy of the forum policy will be posted soon. In the meantime, please follow the structure that is outlined here. Failure to do so will result in posts being edited or deleted and possible infractions issued.

Thanks for everyone's understanding and co-operation on this matter. :)

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