Borzoi question

[cassiesmom]

Borzoi Mad and Borzoimom, you have probably answered this for me before, but I can't find it, so I am here to ask again.

Borzoi coats. Do all Borzoi dogs have color on a white or cream-colored coat? I was just wondering if you ever see a solid colored Borzoi. The AKC Web site says that all colors are accepted. I think their coats look like fine silk when you see them on the dog shows, but Borzoimom told me the coat can also sometimes be wavy. I guess I just enjoy looking at them.

thank you and yes, you can clonk me one for repeating the question!... elyse

[borzoimom]

While all colors are accepted- those with mostly white are more common and dominant in the breed. Usually " self blacks" are smaller in statue, and less prefered. The dominant coloring in the whites is with brown with "agouti" tipping- meaning with black tips on the end of the coat color. Hottie is a prime example of this.
Femka is european- from the netherlands, father is Irak but obviously smaller in bone and lighter than like galina. The american borzoi usually have a flatter muzzle around the nose bridge .. Look at the head study, and you can see the difference. The dog is still supposed to be balenced of power, grace, nobility. Words subject to interputation obviously. Its supposed to be a powerful dog, but graceful .. With the introduction of the silken windhound, the borzois are encouraged to be quite tall..

[borzoimom]

The colors are as follows ( any mixed with agouti meaning black tips..) white with brown ( or red), white with black, white with black and tan markings ( Zubin and Galina) tri color ( femka), white with silver, self red, self black ( must cover the body with white on the chest and feet, and belly usually), Tris have tri markings black body, white chest- tan eyebrows like a tri collie would... If the body is mostly a solid color-with no white on the body- its called a " self"... ( self red, self black etc..) Even a self black etc will have some white on them- usually the chest..

[golden&hovawart]

Thanks for the lessons on the Borzoi breed,it has always been my favorite hound but now,the more,I see them,the more I like them.

[Borzoi mad]

Hi Cassiiesmom and no I won't clonk you only too pleased to give you info on the borzoi.

Any colour is acceptable over here too. Rye is Gold/white but would be classed as a self -he is long and leaner being from Russian breeding and Pellow is classed as a Red/White but I would say more he is More Mohagany rather than red and is more of the English Type and is more stockily built , but still capable of doing the job they were originally bred for and that is to be able to bring down a wolf if breeding to standard they should be big hounds as Borzoimum says. Irrespective of the Silken Windhounds. entering into the equasion. In Russia they liked the self whites. Colour is my opnion not so important in the breed, I would say nowadays size is the issue as there are a lot of borzois being bred who to me would not be capable of bringing down a wolf. I absolutely adore them They are a lovely breed who should have grace power and elegance, but still be able to do the job they were bred for, to keep the breed standard. Hope this has helped.

[borzoimom]

agreed! Power but with grace...

[Borzoi mad]

agreed! Power but with grace...

yes power with grace for our beautiful breed.:cheers:

[sheplovr]

Borzoimad your dog is gorgeous love that color so much. They truly are a beautiful breed. Outrageous coats that seem to flow.:D

[Borzoi mad]

Thanks for the lessons on the Borzoi breed,it has always been my favorite hound but now,the more,I see them,the more I like them.


I am so pleased you like the breed , but it would not suit eyeryone they are so different from your goldie and even from your lovely hovawart. You really have to speak so softly to hem and they are such a sentitive breed not trying to put you off them cause they are the greatest, but if you were seriously going to consider having them I would suggest you research the breed throughily. before doing so. Mine live with dachies and a cat, but I have to remind you they are typical sighthounds and much as I love them I would not trust them with cats or li any fast moving little ones :cheers: outside the house. So please be aware of this.:cheers:

[borzoimom]

I agree- kid gloves.. why I love the breed so much.. easy to live with.. etc!

[cassiesmom]

Power, grace, nobility ... and a beloved stuffie.

http://www.dogforum.org/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2060/size/big/cat/500/ppuser/2778/sl/b

[borzoimom]

thank you cassiesmom!!!

[Jestjoan]

http://borzoi-color.batw.net/Color_discussion.html

[Borzoi mad]

Borzoimad your dog is gorgeous love that color so much. They truly are a beautiful breed. Outrageous coats that seem to flow.:D



Thanks Sheplovr for your nice comments and so pleased you love Rye's colouring . The coats to take a lot of work but they are worth it. Mind you Afghan Coats take even more work. :cheers:

[borzoimom]

http://borzoi-color.batw.net/Color_discussion.html
That is a very good link you posted! Its so funny how so many of the breeders, myself included, do not use the 'correct' terms for the colorings on our dogs. I am uh keeping this link for myself, and uh sending it to a few people.. lol.. Another term that needs explaining is " agouti"- this word is tossed around as black tipping on another color. ( like hotties tipping off his brown tipped in black.. ) hmmmm
Anyway- I found the link very helpful. I am going to need it soon enough.. :D

[borzoimom]

Thanks Sheplovr for your nice comments and so pleased you love Rye's colouring . The coats to take a lot of work but they are worth it. Mind you Afghan Coats take even more work. :cheers:
Obviously a mature coat! And I love it! Even as Zubin starts his mature coat, I look around the house and think- hmmm.. I need another vac with already having hottie in a full coat..

[Borzoi mad]

Obviously a mature coat! And I love it! Even as Zubin starts his mature coat, I look around the house and think- hmmm.. I need another vac with already having hottie in a full coat..

Not quite Borzoimon but getting there as he was three in November, but is very slow maturing and the coat I think has about another 7 months or perhaps more before it is fully mature. Pellow is only 2 past in Jan so he has sill a lot of coat to grow. Though his is more profuse than Rye who's coat is a lot finer than Pellow's/ One of the joys of owning our delightful breed. Lol :drunken: out with the hoover lol:)

Glad we donit have colour descriptions such as those in the UK I get confused enough as they are here but the Amercican one's are even more confursing lol Though it was an interesting read.

[borzoimom]

I know- I am sitting here trying to read and understand it. No wonder no one uses this- lol.. Its confusing- ..

Zubin spent his whole life so far just growing in height.. lol.. He just started to put his coat on. And its growing fast! Knowing his lines, Zubin will make the most changes in the next 6-12 months. I have noticed the bitches mature much faster, it they do in most breeds. Galina had her adult coat at 14 months- where as her brother was just getting started.
Femka has more european coat. And being spayed, also more 'old lady curl and fluff".

[Borzoi mad]

I know- I am sitting here trying to read and understand it. No wonder no one uses this- lol.. Its confusing- ..

Zubin spent his whole life so far just growing in height.. lol.. He just started to put his coat on. And its growing fast! Knowing his lines, Zubin will make the most changes in the next 6-12 months. I have noticed the bitches mature much faster, it they do in most breeds. Galina had her adult coat at 14 months- where as her brother was just getting started.
Femka has more european coat. And being spayed, also more 'old lady curl and fluff".

Agree with you about the bitches maturing much faster. Zubin and Rye have that in common he was still growing in height up to February but think perhaps the height growth has stopped now, he only really started to put coat on about Sept/October last year and it is now coming on a treat. Pellow' is maturing a lot faster being more english bloodlines and a much stockier dog than Rye and has always had a good coat though he has not quite reached the adult one, but he should not be long in doing so. Like your description of Femka who is spayed as more 'Old Lady Curl and flluff " bless her :) .;)

[cassiesmom]

Gosh, Borzoimom ... I have old lady curl and fluff, too :) I love to look at pictures of Femka's and Borzoi mad's Pellow's wavy coats. Some day I hope I will be able to have a Borzoi dog.

[cassiesmom]

It says on the AKC Web site that Russian aristocrats bred Borzoi dogs for hundreds of years. No wonder they are such noble dogs. :)

Borzoimom and Borzoi mad, I have another question. Do you think the Borzoi and the greyhound might be genetically related somehow, from way-back-when? They have kind of the same shape of heads, with their smooth, sleek faces. But the Borzoi would need that heavy coat for winter weather in Russia, though. I guess I just like them. I can see why artists would want to draw and paint the Borzoi!

[borzoimom]

The story is the breeds foundation was a Russian Collie and Greyhound- so yes- they are related. Built like a greyhound, but longer coat like a collie for the cold months in Russia .

[Borzoi mad]

The story is the breeds foundation was a Russian Collie and Greyhound- so yes- they are related. Built like a greyhound, but longer coat like a collie for the cold months in Russia .

Borzoimon I am not disagreeing with this but there are so many different opinion on the origin of the Borzoi for instance in the old book by John Gordon under Origin and History it says and I quote The Borzoi's beginning lie far back in the Dar kAges of Russianand the vast lands adjoining her, no one can be specific as to the otigin of the breed . The Borzoi bears certain similarities with the Greyhound, Afghan and Saluki. However one is bound to regard the apparent feature likeness of the Borzoi and these breed as co-incidental rathwer than an attempt to link them with a main-tap root. It is easy to make the mistake of relating them by blood merely on the strength of one or two common denominators in their make-up such as swiftness and that they have been used for cvoursing for centuries. He then goes on to say that the borzoi's origin though obscure has give rise to many theoris one expert has given credit to ther early Russian Boarhound as main progenitr of the bre and another has suggested that it is developed from the huge family of herding and and pastoral dogs the Laiki(Spitz) which abound the eastern hemisphere. and on and on ittgoes. So it is really take your pick Lol.

Cassiesmom if you arerreally interested I suggest you try to get a copy pf the book The Borzoi by John Gordon published by John Bartholomew & Son Ltd Edinburgh from your Library rather than going to the expense of trying to buy it this is a fairly old book. Another good borzoi book which I use as a reference sometimes was written by a very good friend of mine Desiree Scott it is "The Borzoi" and is published by Kindom books ( I know this one is available on ebay or from Amazon, if you are interested. This was first published aropung 1998/99. It goes right back to the beginning of the dog as a domesticated animal showing how the various group and breds we know today developmed , paying particular attention to the sighhounds , Des gives a detailed breed history of borzois in the UK and in the USA and lots of opther practical advice about choosing, training and showing a borzoi, There are also sections on breeding and Genetics. Being a Doctor I can remember once being at Crufts weith Des and when we went for lunch she gave my daughter and I a lecture on Genetics, she has so many interesting things to relate. She owned three borzois in the past . Hope this helps Cassiesmom. :cheers:

[borzoimom]

I agree Borzoi Mad. There are several notions running around- including that they didnt use collies but rather wolves as evidence by the heat cycles.. lol.. The complete Borzoi book quotes as greyhounds to collies- but it is very hard to say for sure. The breed was so isolated by the Tsars and none were owned outside of royality. Associated to the point with them, that the fall caused the populace to kill the dogs..

[borzoimom]

And notice this one written that states it was Saluki's... http://judgesl.com/Borzoi/history.html

[Borzoi mad]

Thanks for the link Borsoimom very interesting > I have saved in my favourites.

Don't know about you but I just love to read all the different books giving the history of the breed.

I am really fortunate in that when Des was writing her Borzoi book she stayed about 30minutes away from me and iI read lots of her research and many chapters of the book before it was published and I have learned a lot about the breed from her and breeders who have been about for many years. I have a lot of good friends in the breed who have a wealth of knowledge to impart to those who are genuinely interested in learning.

[borzoimom]

I do too- and the more I read, the more I get confused.. lol... I wish I had that research at my disposal.. !

[cassiesmom]

So it is really take your pick Lol. Hope this helps Cassiesmom. :cheers:


I pick the Borzoi! :D I don't think I will ever have one, though; so I will have to enjoy seeing them in the dog shows. They are beautiful and smart.

[Borzoi mad]

Hi Cassiesmom So pleased you love our Borzois you keep going to these shows and enjoy them and you never know maybe one day when you have researched the breed enough you may decide you could hapilly live with one of these very regal and aristocratic dogs. If you have any more questions I am and I am sure Borzoimom feels the same only too pleased to answer them for you if I/we can. Taking a bit of a Liberty here Michelle, but knowing the type of person you are and how you feel about out breed think I am right in assuming this. Eunice

[borzoimom]

Eunice- totally agree! lol