Breeders, your opinion on this...

[Monkey]

I found a kennel with a big variety in blood lines... that I like.. I belive in outbreeding..

Then I realize, not all past dogs has hd free, and they have not stated hd status on all of their dogs on the page. THEIR dogs has no wins what so ever taken AFTER they have bought them. They buy them already competed with. and now they are using a SHOW winning male (OBS working breed) on THREE different females in the SAME kennel.

am I alone to react on this?? sure the male has a lot of nice prices, and he has BH and sch lv1 that is good though but they promote the show wins more than the temper and inside, and then use him on three different females without even waiting for the outcome of one litter?

As I said, if there is something about breeding Im missing that I do not know about, my appologuise. I just feel it is a lot of females to breed with just cause it is a good dog. Please enlighten me..

[applesmom]

I found a kennel with a big variety in blood lines... that I like.. I belive in outbreeding..

Then I realize, not all past dogs has hd free, and they have not stated hd status on all of their dogs on the page. THEIR dogs has no wins what so ever taken AFTER they have bought them. They buy them already competed with. and now they are using a SHOW winning male (OBS working breed) on THREE different females in the SAME kennel.

am I alone to react on this?? sure the male has a lot of nice prices, and he has BH and sch lv1 that is good though but they promote the show wins more than the temper and inside, and then use him on three different females without even waiting for the outcome of one litter?

As I said, if there is something about breeding Im missing that I do not know about, my appologuise. I just feel it is a lot of females to breed with just cause it is a good dog. Please enlighten me..

You're right to be concerned. Can you post the url to their website so we can take a look and share our thoughts and/or concerns?

[Monkey]

am I allowed to??? *a bit insecure*
*runs to check the rules*

Ok I read the rules and I cant find anything against it, I think...
These breeders might be ok, I just feel it is weird they dont have any litters or puppies from their own breeding etc. For me it means that they are not familiar with their own lines and therefor someone I would not be comfortable to buy a puppy from since I want to compete in areas where I have no expertise so I want someone to lean on.
How is hip and elbow xrayed shortened on the american pedigrees?? (I cant really understand when looking at other sites). and mods I do not mean to be mean but this kennel IS confusing for me. I want a good dog but the american way of doing things according to several rottiesites Ive been on (at least what I guess the not so serious ones) is that they import good dogs, massbreed, sell expensive puppies (that prolly are good) and then just turn around and sell the grown dogs since the grown dogs often are for sale too this to earn money on puppies and the grown dogs without having to do the work themselves. Am I wrong or?? cause honestly this is what it looks like to me since they dont have any of their own lines or hardly even a kennel name...
and again, sorry if Im wrong but this is how they do come across for me..
Here is the link:
http://www.worldclassrottweilers.com/ROTTWEILERLITTERS.html

Sorry again if I did wrong..
*runs and hide*

[Mahooli]

Outcrossing is a good thing if done properly, constant outcrossing will result dogs of all different types. The point of line breeding is that you fix traits into your line that you like and remove those that you don't. Just buying in winning dogs and breeding from them is not someone who is genuinely interested in the breed but someone who wants to make money out of breeding dogs :mad:
Becky

[Monkey]

Outcrossing is a good thing if done properly, constant outcrossing will result dogs of all different types. The point of line breeding is that you fix traits into your line that you like and remove those that you don't. Just buying in winning dogs and breeding from them is not someone who is genuinely interested in the breed but someone who wants to make money out of breeding dogs :mad:
Becky

I have to agree that is somewhat Im feeling too.
and there seem to be a lot of them kennels..
Others Ive seen have dogs that look like.. sh** etc. Like the tan marks non exsisting, they are too sotty (or how u spell it), they have long bodies, skinny, fat, weird heads and ears and people BREED on them.
*shivers* Me no like...

[applesmom]

What you're looking for is a respected breeder that has been around for a long time and sucessfully competes with their dogs in the areas you want to get into. Even from the best and most ethical breeders, it's very difficult to find a puppy that will be both a show dog and a competition dog

After a quick glance at the website, they are just selling pets since they do absolutely nothing with their dogs other than to breed them and sell puppies to anyone that has the cash.

[Monkey]

What you're looking for is a respected breeder that has been around for a long time and sucessfully competes with their dogs in the areas you want to get into. Even from the best and most ethical breeders, it's very difficult to find a puppy that will be both a show dog and a competition dog

After a quick glance at the website, they are just selling pets since they do absolutely nothing with their dogs other than to breed them and sell puppies to anyone that has the cash.

Just as I suspected..
well I dont care so much about show.. if I can get that too Im happy. Just that I want a working buddy. A few years back I had an old dobe I resuced. He had been through 11 homes and sever abuse so I ended up keeping him. We started a search and rescue group just for fun and we did have fun, then he got diagnosed with cancer and I had to put him down. I only had him for 2 years, he was 6 when I got him so. That got me hooked on working dogs, so therefor the mentality IS the most important part btu I want to compete in everything I can to see how far I can take the dog. Cause a lot is also how good I AM on motivating the dog to DO what I want him/her to do. Well Her, I am a female dog person.

I sent you a kennel in a pm where I asked for your opinion since you do have so many years experience in breeding. Please let me know what you think.
Thanks again guys for the answers cause to be honest.. I am a tad confused with all the american terms and way of doing things... :confused:

I dont know what I would do without this site...

[BoxMeIn21]

http://www.worldclassrottweilers.com/ROTTWEILERLITTERS.html


Yep - this site smells like a total BYB - I didn't even see any health testing done either. I would run, far, far away. Do you know what health tests should be done on Rotties?

[Monkey]

Yep - this site smells like a total BYB - I didn't even see any health testing done either. I would run, far, far away. Do you know what health tests should be done on Rotties?

well I know what is required in Sweden with approved mental test, elbows, hips and the heart... as far of what Ive understood it is similar here.
But that is the thing.. Im not sure about how you short the names etc.
so for me it is a bit confusing... *lol*

[sheplovr]

GOSH I must say the Rottys are a dandy to look at photos. THe male used is very nice and could be in competition.?
If they are selling pet Quality only and have much faith in their male, I must say I cannot blame them for using him. Beauty is in the Eyes of the Beholder, so be it the dogs look pretty nice.
I have been taught line breeding to better stock no closer than third generation, but I never do this, NO inbreeding, I do not Title my dogs as I cannot travel at near 69 yrs. old, I have not kept any pups to even send out. It does take many litters to get both show, breeder and competetion Quality.

[applesmom]

What you're looking for is a respected breeder that has been around for a long time and sucessfully competes with their dogs in the areas you want to get into. Even from the best and most ethical breeders, it's very difficult to find a puppy that will be both a show dog and a competition dog

After a quick glance at the website, they are just selling pets since they do absolutely nothing with their dogs other than to breed them and sell puppies to anyone that has the cash.

You're not seeing things, I'm actually quoting myself since I forgot to mention something in the earlier post.:D

On the website listed above and gazillions of others on the internet the (using the word loosely) "breeders" claim their dogs have fantastic pedigree's and are bred to do anything and everything the new owner would ask of them; conformation, agility, schutzhund, obedience, or whatever the particular breed is normally used for.

Yet these "breeders" don't participate in any aspect of competition and their own dogs are completely unproven. Therefore they would have no idea how to rate the puppies for suitability for the many types of competitive venues.

Their sales would have to be to first time would-be competitors because the more experienced participants in competition would know better than to purchase a dog from such a breeder.

Also considering that they're selling to first time, would-be competitors and these "breeders" haven't competed with their dogs in any way there would be absolutely no support system for the new owner. Something which is absolutely vital for a newcomer to any type of canine competitions.

These "breeders" know exactly what their prospective customer want to hear and they're masters at it. However when purchasing a dog for competition--the only real proof is in what the breeders have actually accomplished with their own dogs and their offspring.

[Monkey]

sheplvr the thing is yes the male looks good and have good prices.. but it is not THEM that have done it. and Im not sure however those puppies are approved by AKC either. They cant support me with what I need and I doubt that they really know what they are doing.

applesmom
this is what I want from a breeder, since my strong point is behaviourism and everyday obediance and not in for ex competetion obediance nor tracking on a higher level I will need the suport from a breeder that has knowledge of his her lines and within the contests themselves.

at first glance yeah the dogs look awesome but then when I looked closer.. well yeah you saw what I found.

Now I just need to find a proper one.. that is easier said than done.
I didnt belive it would be this hard.

Im so greatfull for all help!

[sheplovr]

I beg to differ in choosing top puppies without Titled or Proven parents. I have puppies in Search n Rescue excelling in that field from certain two parents. I have pups in Sars work doing excellent. The parents of my dogs are tops, lines are tops, so I can sell Pet Quality family companions that can work well in many fields because of grandparents from foreign countries. I buy what lines will cross well with my girls, etc. One does NOT need to prove anything long as you have tops blood, good parents to breed and produce puppies that sell for medium price, not top priced pets. I do not rob people but want them to have a nice looking pup that will work and have sound stable nerves as well when back home. Sorry but my personal opinion and some of the Germans as well.

[BratBoxers]

None that I checked are in the OFA. Being that rotties have a high instances of Degenerative joint disease (DJD) and HD I would go elsewhere.Some did look to me to have problems in the elbows. Titles are not always everything BTW sure not a guarantee of a reputable breeder.

[applesmom]

I beg to differ in choosing top puppies without Titled or Proven parents. I have puppies in Search n Rescue excelling in that field from certain two parents. I have pups in Sars work doing excellent. The parents of my dogs are tops, lines are tops, so I can sell Pet Quality family companions that can work well in many fields because of grandparents from foreign countries. I buy what lines will cross well with my girls, etc. One does NOT need to prove anything long as you have tops blood, good parents to breed and produce puppies that sell for medium price, not top priced pets. I do not rob people but want them to have a nice looking pup that will work and have sound stable nerves as well when back home. Sorry but my personal opinion and some of the Germans as well.

That's fascinating sheplovr. Can you explain a little about the process that goes into choosing which puppies are candidates for SAR work and the experience level of the owners prior to choosing their puppy? Did they purchase the puppy with SAR in mind or did they get into it after the fact?

[Monkey]

I beg to differ in choosing top puppies without Titled or Proven parents. I have puppies in Search n Rescue excelling in that field from certain two parents. I have pups in Sars work doing excellent. The parents of my dogs are tops, lines are tops, so I can sell Pet Quality family companions that can work well in many fields because of grandparents from foreign countries. I buy what lines will cross well with my girls, etc. One does NOT need to prove anything long as you have tops blood, good parents to breed and produce puppies that sell for medium price, not top priced pets. I do not rob people but want them to have a nice looking pup that will work and have sound stable nerves as well when back home. Sorry but my personal opinion and some of the Germans as well.


it is not about prooving really as I want to feel confinde in the fact that they know about the stuff I want to compete in. If I want to do trackign I want the breeders with experience from that since I only know basic cause I want to learn from that. The puppies will prolly come out great but what can I do with a great puppy if I get stuck and have no breeder to lean on. It is more of that reason I want breeders that are familiar with what I want to compete within and knowledge about their own lines. This would be my first purebreed rottweiler and IF things hit the fan I want someone to lean on and work close with that is familiar with his her geneline.
Does that make more sence?

[zoeybeau1]

am i missing something on there website granted i only had a qick look are rotty pups easy to rear,not haveing there pups born but wanting to advertise them for sale,deposits on unborn pups no thanks.