View Full Version : Ok... what do you think of this, then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcaAPhThnBM
Monkey
04-23-2007, 11:45 PM
as far as I can see they dont hit the dog..
I have a slight memory in my head that they teach the dogs to not react on raised hands and then they do inflict slight pain just so the dogs learn not to let go and they increase pain whatever. This due to them suposedly to be good guard dogs? I have to say though I love to see them in action like that..
the malinoia was like.. CAN I CAN I?? daddy, come on!! I wanna take him, can i?? and then FULL SPEED. They so enjoyed their work. This is one of the aspects I hope to work with onces I found a good rottiebreeder due to the dogs seem to have so much fun and I belive that is a good completetion to tracking and obediance.. :)
If you are going to get serious about protection work... then your dog will have to be able to take a hit with a stick.
Schutzhund is another thing... I don't think they use the stick... maybe that's the route for you.
Here's a Rottie video I enjoy.
What do you think of THIS, people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YhTAxU2LYM&mode=related&search=
Monkey
04-23-2007, 11:54 PM
If you are going to get serious about protection work... then your dog will have to be able to take a hit with a stick.
Schutzhund is another thing... I don't think they use the stick... maybe that's the route for you.
Here's a Rottie video I enjoy.
What do you think of THIS, people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YhTAxU2LYM&mode=related&search=
yeah but that is the thing... My rottiemix she is taking the beating but Ive PLAYED it up. Like I start to soft wrestle her and get her worked up, then I start pinching her and slap her face and encourage her to grab me. dang when she was younger if I kicked her, she took my leg and tossed me over.
We had fun doing this.. I got so badly bruiced on my arms and so and with working the casino wearing short sleeves one of my regulars one day said; You have to leave him! I was like: ehh??? he goes: the guy that beats you up all the time, Ive seen your arms. I was: ohh thats my dog, we playfight.
The guy goes: aww honey, it is horrible to see how he treats you and have control of you youhave to break free.
I could do nothing else than laugh.
The thing is.. dogs when they get worked up as far of what Ive learnt they dont feel pain the same way just as we doesnt due to adrenaline. and if you build it up with playfighting they take no harm in it caue for them it is a part of the game and this dogs dont even notice it.
at least that is what Ive learnt seen and experienced and god knows how hard I can kick my dog and she still jumps me and tip me over (all in good play). So.. I doubt they feel that stick that much and if you look at it, the guys miss, I dont even see it hit the dogs due to their speed.
GOD!! I love rotties..
I would like a complete herd video though now it just looked a little random, where the rottie actually MOVES the bulls into pens etc. I loved the footage with the "log" my Great dane just to fetch those for me to throw.. *rolleyes* it is so cute.. he is jumping, daddy give me my stick..
They are SOOOOO beutifull!!!!
Well... the dog learns to avoid getting hit dunnee? But he's pretty imune to it by the time he's at the knpv championship level.
Like a professional fighter in the ring. He'd be a pretty poor fighter if he had never been hit, wouldn't he?
Now, weren't you upset that the hunting hounds had been hit? Do you think that they aren't being conditioned too?
He'd be a pretty poor Stag hunter if he hadn't been conditioned to avoid the hooves, or continue the hunt despite getting smacked by branches snapping back in the underbrush.
Anyway... did you dig the Rottie fetching the logs? Cool eh?
MixedBreed
04-24-2007, 12:06 AM
They looked like very well-trained attack dogs, pretty impressive.
The rottie video was good too, although I prefer watching border collies herd ;)
Monkey
04-24-2007, 12:08 AM
Well... the dog learns to avoid getting hit dunnee? But he's pretty imune to it by the time he's at the knpv championship level.
Like a professional fighter in the ring. He'd be a pretty poor fighter if he had never been hit, wouldn't he?
Now, weren't you upset that the hunting hounds had been hit? Do you think that they aren't being conditioned too?
He'd be a pretty poor Stag hunter if he hadn't been conditioned to avoid the hooves, or continue the hunt despite getting smacked by branches snapping back in the underbrush.
Anyway... did you dig the Rottie fetching the logs? Cool eh?
that is the thing, I dont have any experience with hunting dogs, and I dont know how they teach them. Therefor it freaks me out when I see it. Here I have a tiny bit more experience than in the other part therefor it does not freak me one teenth as much. So my first reflex when I dont really know is to feel horror cause I cant see a hunting dogs need to be able to stand a hit from a whip. Compared to a dog that MUST catch the bad guy. Hmm maybe I should start reading more about them.. I do not have much knowledge about them at all, Im a moloss person.
but isnt branches in the wood different towards a whip from a human? I do belive the dogs sence that or?? it feels like it isnt even close to simulate the same thing compared to the doggieguard situation.
and yeah I did love the logs..
MY STICKS, it was written over the rotties face... haha and ohh the photo where he held off the bear.. GOD I LOVE ROTTIES!
*sighs*
Different styles, MixedBreed... and you'd need more B.C.'s to get the job done. ;)
I thought it was pretty cool to see the Rottie doing what it was bred to do.
Imagine that eh? Herding Dogs: Rottweiler
that is the thing, I dont have any experience with hunting dogs, and I dont know how they teach them. Therefor it freaks me out when I see it. Here I have a tiny bit more experience than in the other part therefor it does not freak me one teenth as much. So my first reflex when I dont really know is to feel horror cause I cant see a hunting dogs need to be able to stand a hit from a whip. Compared to a dog that MUST catch the bad guy. Hmm maybe I should start reading more about them.. I do not have much knowledge about them at all, Im a moloss person.
but isnt branches in the wood different towards a whip from a human? I do belive the dogs sence that or?? it feels like it isnt even close to simulate the same thing compared to the doggieguard situation.
and yeah I did love the logs..
MY STICKS, it was written over the rotties face... haha and ohh the photo where he held off the bear.. GOD I LOVE ROTTIES!
*sighs*
You got lots of sense, Monkey. You got lotsa sense. God love ya.
KatzNK9
04-24-2007, 12:15 AM
OK ... now, we're talking cool ... VERY COOL ... right up at the top of my list as concerns level of respect coming from me.
BUT ... (c'mon eb4i, you knew it was coming) ... I strongly believe this type of training should only ever be performed by true experts & handlers who have a lifetime commitment to each dog trained in this manner. This isn't a hobby, it's not a sport ... it's the real deal. People lose interest in hobbies & sports and slacking on the lifetime commitment that should be made to a dog trained in this manner is completely WRONG.
Monkey
04-24-2007, 12:19 AM
You got lots of sense, Monkey. You got lotsa sense. God love ya.
thank you..
I just feel that if we close ourselves too much we might miss things..
but belive me, I can be stupidheaded too..
just mention cesar Milan and you have me doing a LOOONG rant..
*ducks and hides*
We are all only humans.. as long as we have the dogs bests in mind that is all that matters...
but now I cant even wait longer to get a real rottie...
Ahhh... but can you turn your acceptance of this to the acceptance of the hunting pack, Katz?
Anyway... yes... once you have a trained protection dog... you spend your life protecting him/her.
Life for life... He gave me his... I give him mine... period.
KatzNK9
04-24-2007, 01:00 AM
Here's a Rottie video I enjoy.
What do you think of THIS, people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YhTAxU2LYM&mode=related&search=
I think this one is awesome too! Wow, dat's a powerful dog! Love to see it!:)
I love how he's barking and rumbling at his handler... Rotties are so vocal.
brunosmom
04-24-2007, 08:04 AM
Well, I personal didn't like the first video....that was like watching a staged dog fight....sorry but I just don't like the idea of Schutzhund training....I don't at all like the methods used for training a dog to be "mean"....:(
But the second video I loved, anyting with Rotties and especially liked seeing a Rotti with a tail!!!!:) ...That is natural instinct.....something a dog loves to do naturally and doesn't need to be taught.
Well, I personal didn't like the first video....that was like watching a staged dog fight....sorry but I just don't like the idea of Schutzhund training....I don't at all like the methods used for training a dog to be "mean"....:(
But the second video I loved, anyting with Rotties and especially liked seeing a Rotti with a tail!!!!:) ...That is natural instinct.....something a dog loves to do naturally and doesn't need to be taught.
A protection dog has no idea he's being 'mean' ... Bite time is play time... It's a game.
brunosmom
04-24-2007, 08:27 AM
Yes, I know it's a job for some and I am sure there are dogs that love doing it....but is it a natural instinct or something that is taught?? And how do you train a dog to bite someone or something on command??
Monkey
04-24-2007, 08:35 AM
Yes, I know it's a job for some and I am sure there are dogs that love doing it....but is it a natural instinct or something that is taught?? And how do you train a dog to bite someone or something on command??
belive me, it is natural... you just increase the tug of war to tug of arm and the more you encourage their grip the harder and firmer they will bite. Dogs usually have a bitestop that I know comes into play when me and Tasha is playfighting, she bruice me but never breaks my skin.
The one time she bit me for real when she was aiming for the pitbull during a fight she got hold of my wrist, realised it was me and despite me havng bones straight under (your handwrist the little bone poking up on the outside) it was still only the skin broken that is how effective and fast their bitereflexes are that she in midbite could stop and retract when she noticed who she started to sink her teeth into.
Here the dogs get railed up to NOT Let go of the tug thingie (the protective sleve that is their reward), they are supoose to win it. all of it is a big game of tug of war, they teach the dog to be able to take blows, screams and etc, often it just riles them up more. If the fig is standing still the dog is supoose to become passive if the fig moves he jumps again.
The difference is that in real life there is no protective sleeve catching the bite but for the riled up dog he is still doing his work or playing his tug. :D
and if Im wrong somewhere I think eb can sum it up better than my broken english :)
You start by building prey drive... there is nothing more natural to a dog than that.
Some protection dogs are working of defense drive... but they'll never make it to the big leagues like the knpv championships.
I'd love to get into the particulars of how to train a protection dog... but I'm not about to teach irresponsible people how to train thier dog to "attack". I mean, who knows who's reading this board, yeah?
Further, I don't think the time and effort that would go into such a post would be appreciated by the members of this particular board.
There's lotsa information out there on how to train a protection dog. Google it.
belive me, it is natural... you just increase the tug of war to tug of arm and the more you encourage their grip the harder and firmer they will bite. Dogs usually have a bitestop that I know comes into play when me and Tasha is playfighting, she bruice me but never breaks my skin.
The one time she bit me for real when she was aiming for the pitbull during a fight she got hold of my wrist, realised it was me and despite me havng bones straight under (your handwrist the little bone poking up on the outside) it was still only the skin broken that is how effective and fast their bitereflexes are that she in midbite could stop and retract when she noticed who she started to sink her teeth into.
Here the dogs get railed up to NOT Let go of the tug thingie (the protective sleve that is their reward), they are supoose to win it. all of it is a big game of tug of war, they teach the dog to be able to take blows, screams and etc, often it just riles them up more. If the fig is standing still the dog is supoose to become passive if the fig moves he jumps again.
The difference is that in real life there is no protective sleeve catching the bite but for the riled up dog he is still doing his work or playing his tug. :D
and if Im wrong somewhere I think eb can sum it up better than my broken english :)
Nah... Ya done good. Let's not get into detail on it though, eh?
brunosmom
04-24-2007, 08:47 AM
I didn't mean to say anything offencive..... if I have offended anyone...I'm sorry....it's just not a sport for me..........I do better with loveable, lickable couch taters....
borzoimom
04-24-2007, 09:12 AM
MASSIVELY IMPRESSIVE!!!
:cheers:
The dog is supposed to hit as hard as they can with the purpose of knocking the person down to stop the fleeing from the police officer.. WELL DONE!!
Katlovesdogs
04-25-2007, 12:32 PM
WOW, thanks for the videos eb41, that was amazing and very interesting.
i couldn't beleive how that rotti was standing up to that bull/cow, wow! What balls they must have to be able to do that!
i dont have a problem with the first video at all, i think it showed great control and a dog loving its work!!! nothing wrong there!!!
Those were bulls... cool eh?
And we generally think of the Rottie as big and slow... that one certainly showed some explosive power didn't he?
They were orginally bred by the romans to guard/herd the livestock as the legions advanced. They were also used as war dogs, set loose into the enemy to cause panic and disarray in the front ranks.
Or so the legend goes, anyway... the history is kinda blurry... As the Romans retreated back across europe they exterminated thier dogs. The remaining mastiffs were taken in and used as cart dogs in the town of Rottweil, leading to the breed we have today.
One can only assume that the few dogs that did escape the legendary nit-pickery of the romans were runts that they assumed were of little consequence... Imagine.
One could imagine that the Mastiff the roman legionaire was used to seeing was something like a Rottweiler but about the size of the English Mastiff.